Qantas, Air France back in codeshare liaison for flights to Paris

Qantas, Air France back in codeshare liaison for flights to Paris

Qantas and Air France are back in rapprochement for daily flights to Paris, in what many hope will be a prelude to Qantas launching non-stop Boeing 787 flights from Perth to the French capital.

That direct Dreamliner service is considered a likely starter for the second tranche of Boeing 787-9 jets due from late 2019 – but for now, travellers will have to make do with hopping onto Air France flights at Singapore and Hong Kong.

From July 20, 2018 (although bookings open June 5), Qantas passengers will be able to make their combined Qantas and Air France journey as a single booking with through-checked baggage and access to Air France lounges if flying in business class or holding a Qantas Platinum One, Platinum or Gold card (sorry, no dice for Qantas Club members).

The QF flight number bolted onto an Air France Singapore-Paris or Hong Kong-Paris flight will also add the ability to earn a full serve of Qantas points and status credits on those Asia-to-Europe legs.

However, the Air France flights won't be able to be booked using your Qantas frequent flyer points, nor will you be able to request a points-based upgrade on them.

Here are the Air France flights available under the Qantas codeshare.

  • from Singapore: AF257 leaves Singapore at 10.35pm, arrives at Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 6am the following day; AF256 leaves Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 8.50pm, arrives in Singapore at 3.45pm the following day.
  • from Hong Kong: AF185 leaves Hong Kong at 10.50pm, arrives at Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 5:55am the following day; AF188 leaves Paris-Charles de Gaulle at 11.35pm, arrives in Hong Kong at 5.35 the following day.

Both pairs of flights run on Air France's flagship Boeing 777-300ER jets, which feature four chic La Premiere first class suites...

Air France's La Premiere first class

... and 58 'cocoon in the sky' business class seats, built on the same Zodiac Aerospace Cirrus platform as used by Cathay Pacific for direct aisle access...

Air France's Boeing 777-300ER business class

...  and a fully-flat bed that's dressed with a duvet and feather-down pillow.

Air France's Boeing 777-300ER business class

Qantas and Air France previously codeshared on Singapore-Paris flights but the guillotine fell on that arrangement with the launch of the Qantas-Emirates partnership.

However, the relationship continued in a limited and very transactional form with Air France's first class passengers using the Qantas lounges in Hong Kong and Los Angeles, while Qantas taps the French flag-carrier for access to its lounge at San Francisco.

David Flynn
David Flynn is the editor of Australian Business Traveller and a bit of a travel tragic with a weakness for good coffee, shopping and lychee martinis.
 

28 comments

  • Alex

    tm_smile

    23 May, 2018 03:19 pm

    I believe this would be appropriate to do the Air France “Woo!”
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  • mviy

    mviy

    23 May, 2018 03:22 pm

    I'm not sure what to make of this. I've been hoping for a long while now that QF would end the lounge arrangement with Air France at SFO and move to using a better lounge. If the Air France lounge at SFO is anything to go by their lounges are way below QF standards and will disappoint.
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  • Michel

    Ozmichel

    23 May, 2018 03:51 pm

    Does that mean the deal with Emirates will be no more?
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  • David Flynn

    David

    23 May, 2018 10:39 pm

    If you mean the Qantas-Emirates deal which earlier this year was re-inked for another five years, it's staying around until, well, at least 2023 :)
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  • silvyvc

    silvyvc

    23 May, 2018 04:37 pm

    I'm not sure how to feel about this. The QF lounge in Singapore is already busy enough. This is probably not going to help the lounge situation. I hope AJ is already looking at expanding that lounge!
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  • 346

    346

    23 May, 2018 04:48 pm

    Best thing I've heard all day

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  • Alex_upgrade

    alex_upgrade77

    23 May, 2018 06:35 pm

    Interesting development and further evidence that QF is responding to passenger's preference to fly on their own metal as much as possible. Which begs the question, why doesn't QF code with BA on their LHR - PAR services? This would allow for a full use of the 2 daily QF services to LHR ex Aus and taps into BA's extensive and frequent schedule of flights between LHR and PAR. Do QF and BA hate each other that much? Perhaps thats also fueled by EK's less than warm relationship with BA? Am I missing something?

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  • JBL

    JBL

    23 May, 2018 07:28 pm

    People not wanting to backtrack seems like a pretty big reason to me
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  • Dmitry Abramov

    dimi

    23 May, 2018 08:19 pm

    Air France-operated flights are hardly “Qantas’ own metal”.

    As for flights via London: why would you ever want to add an extra hop plus a not-overly-pleasant transfer in LHR if you can avoid it?

    The whole point of partnership with Emirates is having the ability to cover all large cities in Europe with a single transfer.
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  • Alex_upgrade

    alex_upgrade77

    23 May, 2018 10:24 pm

    Sorry I wasn't clear. A reason QF is re-coding with AF (when they already have the EK arrangements in place for 1 stops to Paris on EK metal) is presumably to given their customers the chance to fly part of that trip on QF metal (ie Aus - SIN/HKG and vv) with the rest on Air France. Otherwise, they'd have stuck with the existing EK option.

    This arrangement still means you fly on QF metal less than half the trip (bad for points upgrades etc and presumably QFF recognition). Yes my proposed BA option means 2 stops (unless from Perth), but at least you get full QF service and recognition for 95% of the trip. I can't imagine AF giving the same level of service to a Plat or PlatOne member as QF (or even EK) do.

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  • Nick  Sydney 348

    Nick Sydney 2

    25 May, 2018 03:18 pm

    Try LHR these days. It's a nightmare getting from T3 over to T5. Take the connecting train which entails a long long walk to the platforms, up to T5 and the usual hassle that goes on with check in and all that. I came through T5 two days ago and it is one big terminal. Direct to Paris makes a lot of sense and saves on brain damage
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  • lind26

    lind26

    23 May, 2018 07:07 pm

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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  • vantage03

    vantage03

    23 May, 2018 08:16 pm

    This is great news.. doesn't seem to be bookable yet though
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  • David Flynn

    David

    23 May, 2018 10:41 pm

    Bookable from 5 June, for travel from 20 July.
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  • magpie

    magpie

    23 May, 2018 08:24 pm

    My previous experience was a disaster with Air France. Note they are a public sector airline and French public sector are running rolling strikes again. That was my disastrous experience last time and I would advise not to take the risk.
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  • kiwiwings

    kiwiwings

    23 May, 2018 10:25 pm

    I also read Air France weren't doing well and their government doesn't want to bail them out.
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  • Ashley Bear

    OzGlobal

    30 May, 2018 04:39 am

    Your previous experience may have been bad, but best to know your facts. I've lived in France for 15 years (Australian expat) and I can tell you Air France was privatised 20 years ago, with a minority government holding (Qantas has a similar history). So, not "a public sector airline." The problems leading to industrial action have been inflexible labour laws and union attitudes. The government recently fundamentally liberalised the labour law. The 'public sector', in fact the Finance Minister, far from indulging this behaviour, last week, stated that the staff behaviour will quickly "kill the airline" and he was very clear that, in that case, the government will not spend a penny on bailout, but 'will let it die.' Much more capitalist than the American Ch11 approach, if you ask me.
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  • Joe

    Joe

    23 May, 2018 09:30 pm

    The mind boggles. Why would you use this when you can book QF on EK metal all the way? Far superior service.
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  • Ashley Bear

    OzGlobal

    30 May, 2018 04:42 am

    I've done both AF and EK in J many times and would take AF in a heartbeat based on cabin service and the new J product.
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  • bodez

    bodez

    24 May, 2018 08:19 am

    This seems odd to me when apparently so close to launching ones own direct service. Though not a complaint as gives great options for pax.
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  • puppy79

    puppy79

    24 May, 2018 09:22 am

    a great deal.a lot of us fear going through the middle east to europe or want an asian stop either direction.if this is what they can offer to paris to entice one off singapore airlines or cathay pacific good for them.
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  • Sr Batrill

    Sr Batrill

    24 May, 2018 09:45 pm

    An Asian stop sure, QF/AF deal works; but "fear" are you serious. Ignorance and stereotyping is such an unpleasant thing. Clearly you haven't flown very much.
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  • Nick  Sydney 348

    Nick Sydney 2

    25 May, 2018 03:24 pm

    Seriously? Fear what? I have happily travelled through Dubai with my partner to whom I am not married and neither she nor I have ever had problems whether staying there or at the airport. I'm likely in a minority but preferedb the Dubai lounges over the Singapore stop on Qantas. That's another story but if making such remarks then please at least back up with some facts.
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  • Ashley Bear

    OzGlobal

    30 May, 2018 04:44 am

    They are buying time: the PER-LHR has yet to prove itself; they need the second tranche of 787-9s (late 2019) and they don't want to loose their existing CDG traffic (like me) to other carriers in the meantime.
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  • patrickk

    patrickk

    24 May, 2018 10:15 am

    You can also book to LHR with a BA backtrack which also gives status credits etc but the connections via Singapore and HK look very good. I did it years ago and the 777 were very cramped up the back which I expect hasn’t changed much.
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  • Nick  Sydney 348

    Nick Sydney 2

    25 May, 2018 03:26 pm

    Nope. Was on BA16 at the weekend and definitely wished I was a bit shorter
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  • Mike

    mikes1917

    24 May, 2018 10:24 am

    I flew on the code share from CDG to SIN in 2012 booked in PE. As a QF WP I was denied lounge access by Air France at CDG before boarding and treated like crap in PE fo the whole flight by the solitary old dragon posing as an AF Flight attendant in PE.

    Even worse, once the seatbelt sign was turned off she went back into the Economy section and invited what seemed to be anyone she could find to come forward and sit in the up till then vacant PE seats.

    This did not happen to J which was just in front of me and stayed partially empty.

    Result - no sleep for me between CDG and SIN and I will never, ever fly AF again as long as there is any other choice.

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  • Mark McCullough

    pointyendmark

    25 May, 2018 05:34 pm

    AF and France in general have their industrial relations issues at the moment. But it isn't fair to completely right AF off. Their F product is really very good
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