Star Alliance says it won't chase Virgin Australia to join up

Star Alliance says it won't chase Virgin Australia to join up

Star Alliance says it has little interest in signing up Virgin Australia as a member, despite its description of Australia as a "white spot" lacking a domestic Star airline.

Speaking at a Star Alliance press conference in Frankfurt, Germany to mark the group's 20th anniversary, Star Alliance CEO Jeffrey Goh cited Australia as one of several such "white spots" around the world.

"Australia is (domestically) served by Qantas and Virgin Australia, but like many white spots it is also served by many Star Alliance member airlines... we're not going to add members for the sake of adding, (an airline) has to have additional value to the Star Alliance proposition."

"There are not many airlines who are interested in joining Star Alliance who we are interested in having” added Star Alliance chairman Pedro Heilbron.

However, Goh allowed that in some burgeoning markets "we are constantly on the lookout."

"India and Brazil are big and fast growing markets (where) we are constantly assessing to see whether one or two or even a third member will meet our purposes."

David Flynn is visiting Frankfurt as a guest of Star Alliance.

 

25 Comments

  • UpUpAndAway

    UpUpAndAway

    18 May, 2017 07:46 am

    If Virgin bonded better with it's partners it wouldn't need to be in Star Alliance but let me tell you when your at Paris Airport, your wife is on airside of customs and the Singapore Airlines staff are giving you crap at the check in counter Qantas looks good. Then to come back to Australia and Singapore Airlines agrees the customer was right but doesn't really seem to care Qantas International flights look a better option.
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    gazza48

  • Chris_PER

    Chris_PER

    18 May, 2017 12:41 pm

    Could have happened to anyone by any airline.
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  • AJW

    AJW

    18 May, 2017 02:41 pm

    And? That makes it ok?
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  • reeves35

    reeves35

    18 May, 2017 08:11 am

    I think VA has clearly stated in the past that it is not interested in Star so I don't know why this is continually brought up.  VA has a good relationship with DL and probably has no interest in inflicting UA on its customers.  SQ is the only equity partner in Star and it appears OK that VA has remained outside.

    In many respects, alliances are a bit last decade anyway.  Many of the things originally promised have never happened (joint FF schemes, joint aircraft orders, consistent hard and soft products.) Even the member airlines devalue the alliance further by offering different status benefits when you fly on different airlines within the same alliance.

    Finally, I think VA should stay out of Star because its F/A uniform is too nice.  There are some shockers in that photo!!!!
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    tm_smile

  • tm_smile

    tm_smile

    18 May, 2017 10:02 am

    Star is a little more rigid in their rules for their members. For QF, oneworld works well because there is the streamlined benefits when travelling on OW and then they have same or similar benefits when flying with their partners. 

    If you ever had issues accessing a lounge because until recently, VA Gold and Plat cards didn't actually have Virgin Australia on them, you'd know how much of a difference an Alliance logo would make.

    Also from a business point of view, having Star pax (particularly J) would be of a big boost to VA's bottom line
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  • reeves35

    reeves35

    18 May, 2017 10:56 am

    Unfortunately the benefits on Oneworld are not consistent.  A QFF member flying BA, CX or MH will earn a lot less in points and status credits compared with QF. 
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  • tm_smile

    tm_smile

    18 May, 2017 01:03 pm

    The benefit of an alliance is that you earn points and status credit on partner airlines. The fact that it is not consistent in terms of points and status credits is an individual airline issue that has existed since the creation of allainces. 

    They are not the main benefits of alliance status. I am talking about Priority baggage and allowance, priority screening and boarding, lounge access etc.
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  • highflyer

    highflyer

    18 May, 2017 06:22 pm

    I think OneWorld are more consistent than what Star alliance are able to offer 
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  • downdata

    downdata

    18 May, 2017 11:55 am

    Doesn't matter if they join an alliance or not, they need to become a profitable business in the first place. They have not had a profitable year since 2012.
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  • wozcor1

    wozcor1

    18 May, 2017 08:45 am

    Where is the 'Singapore Girl' in the group photo ?
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  • tronixstuff

    tronixstuff

    18 May, 2017 09:47 am

    Someone had to take the photo...
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  • David Flynn

    David

    18 May, 2017 10:06 am

    She's the one standing just ahead of the engine - she's German SQ ground crew wearing ground crew kit, which partners a batik scarf with a dark blue dress with subtle batik stitching - I had to look twice to find her, and that was in the flesh at the Frankfurt event.

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  • roby

    roby

    18 May, 2017 09:57 am

    On Air China's right is SQ ground staff.
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  • maabbot

    maabbot

    18 May, 2017 11:34 am

    Gotta love gender diversity in the airline business...
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  • GregXL

    GregXL

    18 May, 2017 02:16 pm

    Yep, that's why there is a female pilot...
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  • roby

    roby

    18 May, 2017 11:45 am

    Maybe not as a full member but perhaps the Connecting Partner Model makes more sense for the time being? 
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  • eminere

    eminere

    18 May, 2017 01:33 pm

    Haha I think this makes it pretty clear that *A is simply not interested or doesn't see the value in VA
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  • fresh  thoughts

    freshthoughts

    18 May, 2017 03:04 pm

    virgin doesn't realise how much more attractive they could be in an alliance. for starters there would be no more wondering which lounge you can use or if you can even use one at all instead of not backtracking to the domestic terminal in melbourne.
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  • tonywills

    tonywills

    18 May, 2017 06:27 pm

    Why is there only one male in this photo??? This is rampant sexism! I'm complaining to Gillian Triggs......

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    Drew Lambert

  • Andrew

    andyf

    18 May, 2017 08:54 pm

    Well, I will say - I would be happy to fly on any of Virgin's current partners. There are members in each of One World, Star, and Skyteam that I would avoid. So in that metric at least, Virgin has done a better job at choosing its partners.
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  • Bob Glover

    Bobfromwa

    18 May, 2017 08:57 pm

    If they join, will I get my Life Golden Wing membership reinstated? Well I suppose I should get over it LOL
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  • UpUpAndAway

    UpUpAndAway

    19 May, 2017 07:53 am

    The way Virgin is going you might lose points a second time
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  • Dredgy

    Dredgy

    18 May, 2017 10:17 pm

    Hate alliances, the areas where they should help tend, they don't (seamless interlining with other alliance carriers). I want to fly Delhi-Frankfurt-Lisbon-Porto Alegre - to book it with Lufthansa is cheap, but involves doubling back to Frankfurt from Lisbon, then going onwards to Sao Paulo or Rio and making my way from there. Whereas flying star alliance - Delhi-Frankfurt-Lisbon on Lufthansa and Lisbon-Porto Alegre on TAP is 3 times the cost, only marginally more convenient and has a worse hard product and earning rate on miles isn't as good iirc. That's an opportunity to provide a seamless experience. 

     But I would live with Virgin being a member of Star since I have a  bunch of Lufthansa Miles to burn and few options out of Australia. 
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  • timster

    timster

    19 May, 2017 03:27 pm

    Love alliances. Oneworld was the reason I stuck with QF, BA, AA for so long. But those were the good old days. Star works much better for me now. SQ, TG, UA, BR have all been decent for me recently. Choose the best airline for the route. The only thing missing is a domestic *A partner. Until then I have no reason to fly VA.
    "There are not many airlines who are interested in joining Star Alliance who we are interested in having”
    Since his other words don't actually say Star wouldn't take VA, I'm still left thinking that VA is not that interested and for that I wonder why.
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  • abudhabi1

    abudhabi1

    20 May, 2017 01:57 pm

    the lack of a domestic partner is what stops a lot of us from flying them.I have memberships in both Velocity and Thai Royal Orchid Plus that are of use on SQ but for say any LH,UA,TG FLYING My Velocity is useless there and as such have to put up with lower mileage in my other membership.
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