Qantas to fly Boeing 787 from Brisbane to Los Angeles, New York

Qantas to fly Boeing 787 from Brisbane to Los Angeles, New York

Qantas will fly its Boeing 787-9 between Brisbane and Los Angeles by the end of 2018, with the jet continuing on to New York, and follow this with a new US route from Brisbane.

Speaking in Seattle ahead of the delivery of the airline's first Boeing 787-9, which will arrive into Sydney on Friday October 20, Qantas Group CEO Alan Joyce confirmed that the Brisbane-LA route currently flown by a Boeing 747 "will be replaced with a (Boeing) 787."

The Dreamliner would then continue to New York, picking up passengers from the Sydney-LA and Melbourne-LA services, which Joyce said would dramatically improve" the economics of that stateside leg compared to the jumbo jet.

The Brisbane-LA service is the third international route for the airline's new Boeing 787-9 fleet, following Melbourne-Los Angeles (which starts December 15, 2017) and Perth-London (March 24, 2018)

It's also the first route earmarked for the four Boeing 787s which will be based in Brisbane following their delivery between July and November 2018.

"In addition we want to fly somewhere new in the states," Joyce said, with the announcement of which city will see the red-tailed Dreamliners to be made "later this year or early next year."

"That will either be Seattle where we would work with our partner Alaska Airlines, or it will be Chicago or Dallas working with American Airlines."

David Flynn
David Flynn is the editor of Australian Business Traveller and a bit of a travel tragic with a weakness for good coffee, shopping and lychee martinis.
 

49 comments

  • njmal

    nmalon

    16 Oct, 2017 06:18 am

    Hi David. New aircraft coming to JFK is good news. Given capacity difference between 747 and 787, is there any word on if they will either increase LAX-JFK frequency, or if they will rely further on AA? I live in NYC and love the ease of the connection when Australia bound. QF also tend to hold flights if the JFK-LAX is late.
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  • flyOFTEN

    flyOFTEN

    16 Oct, 2017 03:19 pm

    so based on capacity difference between 747/787 BNE/LAX flights will lose the cheapest seats, unless QF goes BNE/SFO which would surely be up there. Otherwise VA who operate the only other BNE/west coast nonstop would be major beneficiary.
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  • drgmarshall

    drgmarshall

    16 Oct, 2017 08:33 am

    Please pick Seattle.
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  • damien

    damien

    16 Oct, 2017 09:04 am

    I'm pretty sure Seattle would have good transfers with AS being a partner. It is very close to LA and SF but to avoid LAX would be a dream.
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  • eminere

    eminere

    16 Oct, 2017 09:46 am

    "In addition we want to fly somewhere new in the states – that could be Seattle, it could be Chicago, it could be Dallas," Joyce said.

    How is Dallas somewhere new?
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  • Christopher Campbell

    Chris2304

    16 Oct, 2017 09:51 am

    new for Brisbane
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  • flyOFTEN

    flyOFTEN

    16 Oct, 2017 03:34 pm

    NOPE. old 744 route DFW/BNE/SYD
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  • flyOFTEN

    flyOFTEN

    16 Oct, 2017 03:33 pm

    QF used to fly SYD/DFW/BNE/SYD as 747 aircraft couldn't make DFW/SYD with a decent load.
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  • eminere

    eminere

    16 Oct, 2017 10:45 pm

    Exactly, this is not "somewhere new in the States" as Joyce claims. But I suppose people who can't read are free to downvote.
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  • Angus  Coventry

    Covo95

    16 Oct, 2017 09:54 am

    I reckon the second brisbane route will be either dallas or chicago
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  • kimshep

    kimshep

    16 Oct, 2017 10:58 am

    My bet is for DFW. It's a 'known' entity for QF, both operationally (for the route) and also from a marketing perspective (QF had good US market penetration with AA). Choosing Seattle (a non-AA hub) would be interesting but difficult. Choosing Chicago would be even harder - QF would need to rely exclusively on AA feed at a hub where AA has de-emphasised over the last few years.

    In their favour though, Seattle would produce good J Class returns (IT industry) but BNE is not as 'business-heavy' as SYD or MEL. And ORD is, in it's own right, one of the USA's great international hubs. But DFW captures both great J loads and is also AA's home hub, with a history of feeding Americans to BNE and to Far North Queensland.

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  • hutch

    hutch

    16 Oct, 2017 12:20 pm

    Chicago is a massive business city and I recall reading something from QF, that ORD is one of their biggest offline north american destinations.

    You note that ORD would be reliant on AA traffic:
    - the same applies for DFW. That market only works due to AA feed (and seems to work well)
    - ORD is the biggest US city not served by QF
    - I'd hazard an educated guess, that Chicago, as the 3rd largest US city, has significant O&D traffic in its own right (enough for an A380? No, but a 787 may work well).

    It may well end up being DFW because its AA's biggest hub and a known destination (as you mention). But with QF's outlook being quite positive at the moment, I would suggest ORD is up there with a strong case.

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  • flyOFTEN

    flyOFTEN

    16 Oct, 2017 03:16 pm

    BNE/SFO must be high on the list ?
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  • Lala295

    Lala295

    16 Oct, 2017 10:07 am

    I wouldn't call Dallas new, used to fly DFW-BNE. My money is on Chicago as it would suit QF's Network really well and probably a bit far from SYD.
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  • Angus  Coventry

    Covo95

    16 Oct, 2017 10:18 am

    Seattle Maybe? its a big Alaska airlines (A one world partner) hub
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  • Angus  Coventry

    Covo95

    16 Oct, 2017 10:20 am

    my bad alaska air isn't a member of one world, its just a codeshare partner
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  • Traveller14

    Traveller14

    16 Oct, 2017 02:31 pm

    Another significant seating capacity cut on a route for what is perhaps the world's most overhyped airline.

    Almost 25 operators already fly the B789, including some to and from Australia.


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  • Alan Arratoon

    alan-aa1981

    16 Oct, 2017 03:23 pm

    I am too surprised that they downgrade from 747 is somehow celebrated. Although I'll be cautious in saying that more capacity will probably be added by either QF or AA themselves if JV is approved.
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  • flyOFTEN

    flyOFTEN

    16 Oct, 2017 03:37 pm

    downgraded in number of seats yes, but if they do BNE/LAX & BNE/SFO both daily, that will be a big jump in seat capacity to west coast. SFO is much more pax friendly airport. eg. The airport train goes to car rental at SFO, but getting to airport train with oversized bags, means waiting around for elevators. What do these airport architects, fanaticise about colours & forget about the basics, like how do we get to the airport train.
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  • aggie57

    aggie57

    16 Oct, 2017 04:17 pm

    I’ve had one if the slowest TSA clearances ever at SFO. Do they have airside connectors between terminals yet?
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  • hutch

    hutch

    16 Oct, 2017 03:52 pm

    Assuming QF's next route is BNE - DFW/ORD etc, overall there would be more capacity out of BNE to North America.
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  • hutch

    hutch

    16 Oct, 2017 03:50 pm

    Another? When was the first significant capacity cut?
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  • ZT

    ZT

    16 Oct, 2017 03:02 pm

    The first QF B787 is number 615 to fly.
    Personally after a number of flights on both the B787-8/9 and the A350 I am of the opinion the A350 is a better passenger experience.
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  • rambler

    rambler

    16 Oct, 2017 04:01 pm

    Agree ZT re.787 v A350. In my experience the 787 is the most overhyped new type in years, at least from a passenger experience perspective. To me it's no real improvement on the excellent 777, while inferior to both A350 and A380. Those Airbus designs get my vote for quietness, smoothness and feeling of interior space.
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  • draper

    draper

    16 Oct, 2017 03:23 pm

    Come on AJ bite the bullet and lets see MEL to YVR.
    Time to look after your Canada bound customers.
    Air Canada is already doing Brisbane & Sydney to Vancouver and soon Melbourne to Vancouver with the 787.
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  • hutch

    hutch

    16 Oct, 2017 03:48 pm

    Won't happen at the moment. Melbourne 4 x 787's are occupied. So it would have to be out of Brisbane.

    If you were running an airline, with 2 x 787's based out of Brisbane, you would choose Vancouver?
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  • Russjking

    Russjking

    16 Oct, 2017 08:39 pm

    Air Canada do the Vancouver route from Brissy and Qantas couldn't or wouldn't compete on price. So ai agree, silly to duplicate a route; better to do something new.
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  • Traveller14

    Traveller14

    16 Oct, 2017 03:42 pm

    flyOFTEN, do you mean 'elevators' (lifts), which are easy to tarvel in with oversized bags, or 'escalators' which can be a challenge?
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  • Traveller14

    Traveller14

    16 Oct, 2017 03:56 pm

    The first significant capacity cut was QF9, the A380, from March 2018 being reduced to a B789 flying MEL - PER - LHR - a cut of about half in seating capacity.

    Yet QF constantly asserts it's a successful airline.

    Sort of like Woolworths, Coles or Aldi announcing a drop in sales (or profits) of 50 per cent and claiming they're the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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  • 7OD

    7OD

    16 Oct, 2017 07:57 pm

    Heaven forbid a changing market!
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  • hutch

    hutch

    16 Oct, 2017 11:36 pm

    Well, this article was about BNE-LAX flights swapping to 787 from 747. So apologies I didn't know you were referring to QF9 MEL - LHR swapping to 787 from A380.

    Your point appears to be, a capacity reduction on MEL-DXB-LHR means that QF is not successful. But then you don't provide credit for increase in QF flights to SIN. So do these increases mean they are successful? Or do we just look at small things in isolation.

    All good to bag Qantas when they do rubbish things. You don't like the 787, fair enough. But it seems a stretch to say a reduction in capacity equates to not being successful.

    I'd argue that Qantas is successful, at least at the moment, cause they are making good money (money that some of their larger competitors overseas are not). Yield and capacity management is a pretty good way of assisting your airline in making money. The airline with the most seats, doesn't neccessarily make the most money.
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  • John Phelan

    John Phelan

    17 Oct, 2017 12:36 am

    ....err, QF's profits keep increasing. That's why it's a successful airline. Your analogy (drop in sales/profits) is VA, not QF.
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  • Andre Bachelor

    Dexter

    21 Oct, 2017 11:43 am

    Before March ‘18, you could fly MEL-LHR on QF A380 (484 seats daily). After, you can fly MEL-PER-LHR on QF B787 (236 seats) and MEL-SIN-LHR on A380 (484 seats). How’s that a capacity cut?
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  • Stewart Smith

    ssmith3104

    16 Oct, 2017 04:04 pm

    High priority in my preferences would be a 787 direct flight from MEL to DFW.

    Second best would be a 787 service MEL-BNE-DFW.

    Either way, it would cut out the dreaded Sydney connection including changing terminals, etc.
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  • John Phelan

    John Phelan

    17 Oct, 2017 12:37 am

    Let me guess - you live in MEL?

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  • Lala295

    Lala295

    16 Oct, 2017 06:42 pm

    I would seriously think that the 787 could be better used on MEL-DFW instead of MEL-LAX.
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  • Jazzop

    Jazzop

    16 Oct, 2017 07:37 pm

    Agree. Spot on.
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  • hutch

    hutch

    16 Oct, 2017 11:40 pm

    Agreed. The decision for the 787 MEL-LAX seems odd, rather than MEL-DFW. Possibly a reaction to maintain market share over competitors... but another link to DFW would have been nice.

    Unless they change this, won't see a MEL-DFW until (and if) next lot of 787's are bought.
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  • Jazzop

    Jazzop

    16 Oct, 2017 07:36 pm

    I haven't been to SFO lately, but everything I'm hearing is it's the new LAX. I find LAX completely fine now days, no worse than any of the other majors.

    I can't see flights to Seattle. Why would you open up a new/new destination so close to two of your existing cities? SFO and DFW make sense logistically as they're already flying there so they'll get some synergies. This is the conservative bet for QF. But, if they really want something that 'excites' then it has to be Chicago.
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  • ZT

    ZT

    16 Oct, 2017 09:19 pm

    For the record AA operated ORD-HNL-SYD with a B707 in the 70's. I suspect QF will add ORD to stall UA from operating a ORD-SYD service.
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  • John Phelan

    John Phelan

    17 Oct, 2017 12:40 am

    In the 80s, UA operated SYD-HNL-LAX-ORD as a through flight.
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  • kamere

    kamere

    16 Oct, 2017 11:08 pm

    BNE to any other Canadian city?
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  • John Harper

    bmrsjohn

    17 Oct, 2017 06:16 am

    I'm thinking a potential could also be Charlotte. It's a huge AA hub and they are currently building this airport up. Not sure if the 787 could reach non-stop though
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  • Christian Ryan

    aussie-flyer

    17 Oct, 2017 07:57 am

    Please pick Seattle as it will make flying to Boise much easier
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  • Mark

    Mightyreds

    17 Oct, 2017 08:30 am

    AJ was just interviewed by Kochie on channel 7 and he stated the new route out of BNE would be ‘Chicago, Seattle or maybe Dallas’, but judging by his answer, Chicago or Seattle seemed to be the front runners. He said they expect to announce the city by years end.
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  • Sanjay Prakash

    sanj747

    17 Oct, 2017 12:27 pm

    The mid west cities would be a better bet. I would also think the starting service to LAX out of MEL should be into DFW instead as you already have the daily A380 MEL-LAX return (QF 93/94). Gives passengers in Victoria, SA, WA and also TAS more choice.
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  • Tim McCubbin

    Windyhill

    17 Oct, 2017 01:20 pm

    789 is significantly limited in its payload capability from DFW-MEL thus it would have to return via BNE or SYD if operating MEL-DFW-MEL.

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  • mviy

    mviy

    17 Oct, 2017 01:22 pm

    I’m still hoping for MEL-SFO, but the lounge situation needs sorting out especially if there are two daily flights.

    It would make a lot of sense to have two daily QF 787 services from AU to SFO.

    The 747 is a great aircraft but a 2-3-2 configuration in the main business cabin and 2-2 or 2-2-2 elsewhere is not up to today’s standards of 1-2-1. I would love QF to refurb the 747 with new Business seating but that’s not going to happen.

    The regular reported refusal to allow some entry to the CX Lounge is a big problem. The Air France Lounge is not good enough. If QF increase to double daily services they need to sort out this lounge situation.
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  • Traveller14

    Traveller14

    21 Oct, 2017 11:52 am

    Dexter asked how the Qantas changes are a capacity cut.

    This is because the B789 MEL - PER - LHR has only 236 seat, whereas the current QF9 from MEL to DXB and on to LHR has 484.

    Yes, MEL passengers can travel on an A380 next year to SIN on QF, but if off to London they must transfer in SIN to the A380 that has commenced in Sydney, and there will only be 484 seats available via SIN to London not two A380s. That's why it's a capacity cut.
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