Qantas to fly Boeing 787 non-stop Perth-London from March 2018

Qantas to fly Boeing 787 non-stop Perth-London from March 2018

Qantas will launch non-stop Boeing 787-9 flights between Perth and London from March 2018, in a move that will see the WA capital positioned as the airline's gateway for direct Dreamliner flights to Europe.

In addition to the 17 hour Perth-London trek, Qantas is also eying non-stop flights to Paris, Rome and Frankfurt on the airline's new Boeing 787-9.

These flights will run from the Qantas T3 domestic terminal at Perth, which will be upgraded to cater for international requirements such as immigration and quarantine.

This will allow Qantas passengers flying into Perth from other destinations – most likely Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane – to  enjoy a seamless transfer without having to be shuttled between the domestic and international terminals.

Qantas' new Perth-London Boeing 787 route is tipped to begin in Melbourne, with the Melbourne-Perth leg flown by the same Boeing 787 as bound for London.

The Qantas Boeing 787-9 has less than half as many seats as the huge double-decker Airbus A380, and no first class suites.

However, the Dreamliner has a far superior business class (shown above), and almost identical to the Airbus A330 Business Suite design); an extra inch of legroom in economy; and what's promised as an all-new "revolutionary" premium economy seat.

"When Qantas created the Kangaroo Route to London in 1947 it took four days and nine stops, now it will take just 17 hours from Perth non-stop" said Qantas Group CEO Alan Joyce in announcing the new flights.

"This is a game-changing route flown by a game-changing aircraft. Australians have never had a direct link to Europe before, so the opportunities this opens up are huge."

But the start of non-stop Perth-London flights could come at a cost, with Qantas drawing up plans to axe its daily Melbourne-Dubai-London service on the Airbus A380 superjumbo due to concerns the Australian market can't support three red-tailed flights to London.

Qantas' partner Emirates would fill the gap by rostering one of its own superjumbos rostered onto the Melbourne-Dubai route, with connections to London and other cities in the UK and Europe.

Read more: Qantas to axe Melbourne-London Airbus A380 flights? 

However, Joyce wouldn't reveal if pricing for the Perth-London service would be the same as the via-Dubai flights or if passengers would pay a premium for the convenience of a non-stop flight.

"You'll have until April (2017) when we come out with the pricing structure" Joyce teased Australian Business Traveller, although he maintained the fares would be "competitive" against other airlines.

How Qantas non-stop Perth-London flights will work 

The Perth-London Boeing 787 service is expected to carry around 150,000 passengers per year.

Qantas expects a majority of Australian passengers to come from the eastern capital cities, choosing the Boeing 787 – with its smoother ride and jetlag-busting technology – and the direct Perth-London route over flying from Sydney or Melbourne via Dubai.

Those travellers will fly west on domestic Qantas services from Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Adelaide, with Qantas "looking at the timing of our domestic flights through Perth to offer the best connections we can," Joyce says.

Passengers with lounge access will cool their heels at the Qantas Business Lounge or the Qantas Club in Terminal 4 until the Boeing 787 flight to London is called.

(At this stage we've heard no mention of a new Qantas International Lounge being built for Terminal 3.)

They'll then make their way to a newly-built T3 'international departures' area with customs and border security before boarding the Dreamliner via a special 'swing gate' walkway which can switch between domestic and international modes.

After that, it's just a matter of settling in for around 17 hours until they land at London's Heathrow Airport.

Qantas hasn't revealed the schedule for this globe-striding flight but given a 17 hour travel time between Perth and London, a mid-morning departure from Perth (not so easy for eastern state connections) would see arrival into London in the early evening; conversely, an evening departure from Perth would have the flight land at Heathrow around 5-6am.

A terminal tiff

Terminal upgrades such as the swing gate and international zone were sticking points in negotiations between Qantas and Perth Airport, with the airport pegging the bill at some $25 million and pushing for Qantas to instead use the international terminal.

Perth Airport and Qantas have since come to "an arrangement" on the upgrade costs, while West Australian state premier Colin Barnett is believed to have dipped into the state's coffers to pay for Australian Border Force staff to be rostered on at the domestic terminal.

The WA State Government will also put $14 million towards the infrastructure and fit-out required to upgrade T3 for international use, while Qantas will relocate its Perth-Singapore and Perth-Auckland flights from T1 to T3 to make best use of the facilities.

Barnett and WA business leaders have been effusive about the route's commercial benefits to Perth, primarily through inbound tourism on the leg from London, and the opportunity for Perth "to become the western gateway into Australia" via a series of non-stop Qantas flights such as London, Paris, Frankfurt and Rome.

For its part, Qantas has made an "in-principal agreement" to move all of its domestic and international flights to a new T1 pier by 2025, using a similar arrangement to Virgin Australia's T1 domestic pier which opened in 2015 (below).

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36 Comments

  • Andrew

    andyf

    11 Dec, 2016 11:32 am

    Surely this will be hell in economy class, with the only benefit skipping what I imagine is an annoying immigration process in Dubai.
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  • PK

    PK

    11 Dec, 2016 11:46 am

    I agree that it will not be fun, but I think that I would still rather do 17.5 hours with an extra inch of pitch than 14.5 hours to Dubai with an inch less, and avoid the transfer hassle and hopefully more time in the lounge and the improved "atmospherics" of the Dreamliner. 
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  • LP

    LP

    11 Dec, 2016 11:48 am

    Agree. I've normally taken the EK BNE-SIN-DXB-LHR flight to break up the 14 hour direct Dubai flight. I can't see myself voting for a 17hr flight in economy. The only winners are those up front.
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  • Hewnix

    Hewnix

    11 Dec, 2016 02:26 pm

    There's a lot of risk. Pick a poor seat or be seated next to the wrong person (body odors, screaming child, obese person etc) on a full flight, and this could easily be pure hell. 17.5 hours!
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  • Kerwin

    mskonfa

    12 Dec, 2016 08:47 am

    I don't get the fuss either; long flights are a norm these days. Singapore airlines flew the world longest ever from Newark to Singapore 18 hours no sweat. They and United are flying the Singapore to San Francisco now and United flies the 787; the world longest flight on a 787 at the moment.
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  • Arcanum

    Arcanum

    12 Dec, 2016 10:56 am

    Yes, but SIN-EWR was on a special A340 which had no economy class.
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  • Michael Gibbons

    rowwdy

    12 Dec, 2016 01:48 pm

    SIN-JFK was all business though. 
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  • BF

    Lukosius

    11 Dec, 2016 03:05 pm

    Qantas already do Sydney-Dallas and Melbourne-LAX (both 16 hours), with more economy PAX. I can't see what the fuss is. Surely we're not that precious.
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  • Andrew

    andyf

    11 Dec, 2016 03:17 pm

    The last time I few in economy for 14 hours (SYD-LAX) I got extremely fidgety by hour 10 or 11, failed to sleep, and by hour 12 felt like I was going nuts and promised never, ever again! And that was on an aisle seat ... sitting in a middle seat would be like hell.

    Sorry that I'm too precious for you. I'd only consider this in business class, otherwise happy to stop over and break it up, rather than being stuck in such a small confined seat surrounded by strangers for so long.
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  • Nick  Sydney 348

    Nick Sydney 2

    12 Dec, 2016 10:44 am

    Many are. First world problems. 
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  • J-sh

    J-sh

    12 Dec, 2016 11:56 am

    It is that in Economy Qantas has moved away from the 2-4-2 configuration Boeing had in mind when they coined the term Dreamliner, ie. an aircraft promising more space, and with 3-3-3 has seats up to an inch narrower than on those flights, with more passengers per cabin crew members. It sounds like Qantas's PR, which heavily played up the Dreamliner tag conveniently forgetting it no longer applies to the LCC configuration, worked. Don't worry though, SYD-DFW will switch over to the Nightmareliner.
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  • eminere

    eminere

    11 Dec, 2016 06:08 pm

    What annoying immigration process in Dubai? Doesn't faze me. 
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  • Nick  Sydney 348

    Nick Sydney 2

    12 Dec, 2016 11:06 am

    e passports. plug that into scanner and walk through. 
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  • eminere

    eminere

    12 Dec, 2016 01:03 pm

    Exactly. It really isn't that difficult.
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  • Kerwin

    mskonfa

    12 Dec, 2016 08:42 am

    I don't think it will be at all. It's a 787; you'll be fine.
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  • sasha

    sasha

    12 Dec, 2016 07:23 pm

    As someone who has transited Europe to Australia via Dubai 30 times in the past 3 years, I can confirm there is NO immigration process in Dubai for transfer passengers - only a baggage security check, same as an international transfer in Melbourne or Sydney. It is one of the easiest and smoothest airports in the world to transfer in. Since you refer to "imagining" the "annoying immigration process", it's clear you've never flown it and so this comment above isn't fair.
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  • drgmarshall

    drgmarshall

    11 Dec, 2016 11:59 am

    This is a win for passengers in one other way - the domestic business lounge at the domestic terminal at Perth is already far superior to the Qantas lounge at the International terminal. I'll look forward to this.
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  • Stuart Jackson

    Stuart Jackson

    11 Dec, 2016 12:38 pm

    The Perth lounge is good but remember the FIFO hordes tend to change the dynamics of the lounge

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  • djcz

    djcz

    11 Dec, 2016 12:11 pm

    To make PER-LHR, they will restrict seats and use extra fuel tanks I assume? QF 787-9 will have a total of 236 seats but with restrictions in place on the seats and the plane won't be 100% full, they will be carrying the same amount of PAX on a normal BNE-SYD route on a 737. Is it really that successful? 
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  • fxdxdy

    fxdxdy

    11 Dec, 2016 01:14 pm

    I was wondering about that as well.
    The way Qantas has configured their 787s means that half of the plane is business/premium economy seating which means it isn't as dense with passengers (and their luggage) as plane that may have more economy seating, such as Jetstar.
    I wonder if the lower density still means full planes that can make the distance or will they, as you say, have to restrict cargo/passengers.
    And long term, will they put a A350/777x on the route?
    Time will tell!
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  • Himeno

    Himeno

    11 Dec, 2016 05:34 pm

    They would have to restrict seats. It's the only way they would be able to get the range increased enough to make the flight.

    The Boeing quoted 787-9 range is 14,140 km.
    JAL quotes their 195 seat (44J 35W 116Y) 787-9 range at 14,400km.
    I don't see how they can get the needed range for PER-LHR (14,499 km) with more seats then the JAL config.
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  • thelongroad

    thelongroad

    11 Dec, 2016 12:38 pm

    In theory this is attractive, but in practice I'm not so sure.

    From non-PER Australia to non-LHR Europe, I'd still prefer to go via DXB. Even PER to non-LHR Europe I'd be tempted. Two long flights with an easy transit is preferable to one very long one bookended by two short ones, at least one of which (LHR) will likely be both a pain, and backtracking.
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  • Dmitry Abramov

    dimi

    11 Dec, 2016 01:50 pm

    +1. Having to fly Sydney-Singapore/Bangkok-Heathrow in order to backtrack to somewhere else in Europe was a big problem with the original Qantas-BA arrangement.
    The whole point of Qantas-Emirates partnership was to offer one-stop connections from all Australian major cities to all major cities in Europe.
    Not sure a transfer in Perth is going to be appealing to anyone whose final destination is anything other than London.

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  • John Phelan

    John Phelan

    11 Dec, 2016 09:04 pm

    No, this flight is really not intended for those going to anywhere other than the UK. To elsewhere I Europe, you go via DXB. To the UK - take the 787 direct.

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  • Serg

    Serg

    12 Dec, 2016 08:36 am

    Who in their right mind will LOVE go via DXB? Not me this is for sure. And besides EK is famous for incredibly "convenient" arrival/departure times like 2am. I am not interested, thanks and rather go via SIN/BKK/HKG.
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  • John Lindsay

    bigjsl

    11 Dec, 2016 01:05 pm

    International flights out of the common use Adelaide airport terminal require you to pass through customs about half an hour before boarding starts. I have had to cool my heels at the gate for an hour waiting for Emirates flights. On the other hand SingAir have an airside lounge with is wonderful. Qantas are being a bit too greedy with this and the passenger experience will be well down on flying the kangaroo route. But a great opportunity for WA. International tourists will give it a go, like flying a budget carrier out of Nice and vow never to do it again. 
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  • Arcanum

    Arcanum

    12 Dec, 2016 11:05 am

    I've heard Adelaide and Canberra passengers are part of the target market for this flight.  They can do a 1-stop via Perth instead of a 2-stop via Sydney/Melbourne and then Dubai.
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  • Martin  Slobodnik

    msport2012

    11 Dec, 2016 02:14 pm

    I really want to do this route in J. Cant wait till the tickets go on sale 
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  • ajstubbs

    ajstubbs

    11 Dec, 2016 02:45 pm

    Really don't want to see QF9 and 10 axed! Unless they become FRA or CDG services! 
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  • John Geromoschos

    JTG

    11 Dec, 2016 03:07 pm

    I can't see Qantas axing QF9/10 as one of the major benefits for Emirates in the partnership is the A380 into LHR and the amount of seats it has. As Emirates can not fly anyone more seats into LHR without paying some serious money for additional landing slots. I believe Qantas has leased to BA the slots that they would use for the Perth flight
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  • woganfan

    woganfan

    11 Dec, 2016 10:02 pm

    I'm no expert but I assume that QF9/10 will have to be axed if Qantas have given up their slots at LHR. If that's the case they will have to give up one of their services in to LHR. Perhaps your idea of QF9/10 serving FRA CDG or perhaps even AMS is a possibility connecting in DXB. It would be good to see Qantas serving more destinations in Europe after Joyce axed so many. 

    The mists of time may be clouding this statement but until relatively recently QF used to fly through HKG, SIN and BKK to LHR and also through SIN to FRA. Though all from SYD. Perhaps QF9/10 serving elsewhere is the plan. 
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  • Chris_PER

    Chris_PER

    12 Dec, 2016 10:10 am

    Seeing as this 787-9 is tipped to originate in Melbourne, then it's highly likely the A380 MEL-DXB_LHR service will be axed.
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  • aniljak

    aniljak

    11 Dec, 2016 02:56 pm

    Qantas just want the prestige of being first to fly Australia to UK nno stop! Couldn't care less about their passengers. Melbourne passengers will desert them in droves! And what happens when Perth closes due weather  - whats the alternate?
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  • ajstubbs

    ajstubbs

    11 Dec, 2016 02:59 pm

    I would go  this route from MEL but if going elsewhere in EU I'd prefer the QF A380 via DXB connecting with EK. 
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  • parishiltons

    parishiltons

    11 Dec, 2016 08:24 pm

    Learmonth    
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  • Glenn

    64glenn

    11 Dec, 2016 03:44 pm

    If their seats in economy are anything like Jetstar, it surely will be the most uncomfortable 17 odd hours of your life....
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  • aklrunway

    aklrunway

    11 Dec, 2016 04:06 pm

    They've already announced the economy seats and they're nothing like Jetstar
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  • Yohy

    Yohy

    12 Dec, 2016 01:19 pm

    same width as jetstar with more pitch...
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  • J-sh

    J-sh

    11 Dec, 2016 07:50 pm

    Just another reason not to fly Qantas from the Australian East Coast to Europe in economy. If it it had been a Dreamliner, i.e. 2-4-2 then yes but as 3-3-3 Nightmareliner then nope.
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  • Shoudy Chen

    Shoudy Chen

    11 Dec, 2016 03:59 pm

    Boy oh boy wowee! What about this unbelievably good news for Perth travellers flying to London nonstop for the first time?
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  • Serg

    Serg

    11 Dec, 2016 04:21 pm

    It is fantastic news, if it happens of course.
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  • crosscourt

    crosscourt

    11 Dec, 2016 04:21 pm

    I am a bit perplexed with QF saying that they don't think its possible to sustain the MEL-LHR flight alongside the PER-LHR flight, yet Emirates are pretty quick to fill the gap along with their gazillion other flights from Australia through DXB and on to LHR or LGW. Also, I wonder if PER-LHR could/will see a revisit of codeshares between LHR and Europe between BA and QF. Now that would be good and maybe stop the tit for tat nonsense BA keeps pulling because they are so upset with QF aligning with EK.
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  • tarmac

    tarmac

    11 Dec, 2016 08:15 pm

    Well not everyone needs to go to London, while EK can transit pax through DXB to all over Europe, Africa and the Middle East.
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  • Serg

    Serg

    12 Dec, 2016 08:40 am

    Let me tell you that I upset far more than BA!
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  • Christopher Campbell

    Chris2304

    11 Dec, 2016 04:24 pm

    So does a regular service mean 5 days a weeks or daily?
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  • Patricka340

    Patricka340

    11 Dec, 2016 04:29 pm

    Regular service just means that it will be always operating no matter the seasons, etc. A flight can be daily, five weekly or even thrice weekly and still considered regular as long as the flight is not a charter flight.
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  • crosscourt

    crosscourt

    11 Dec, 2016 08:18 pm

    Aware of that so why not terminate the QF flight in dxb.
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  • John Phelan

    John Phelan

    11 Dec, 2016 09:08 pm

    Because that defeats the whole point of the non-stop to LHR???
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  • crosscourt

    crosscourt

    11 Dec, 2016 09:22 pm

    Has nothing to do with that point, if EK is jumping in to fill the gap QF are leaving with a DXB flight then why wouldnt QF fly at least to DXB. That's the question. Nothing to do with flying non-stop to LHR.
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  • Sladeyp

    Sladeyp

    11 Dec, 2016 04:34 pm

    Colin Barnett says 14 flights a week which i assume is a double daily service which might explain why qf is cancelling mel-lhr as they might need the landing slots @ lhr? And they'll get back a slot they lease to BA?
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  • Himeno

    Himeno

    11 Dec, 2016 05:27 pm

    QF owns 4 slot pairs at LHR. 2x morning arrival, 2x lunch time arrival, 2x lunch time departure, 2x evening departure. They are currently using 1 of each with the rest leased to BA.
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  • mviy

    mviy

    11 Dec, 2016 06:53 pm

    Do you have a link? I thought it was a $14 million contribution.
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  • mviy

    mviy

    11 Dec, 2016 10:42 pm

    As I've seen mentioned elsewhere 14 flights a week likely means 7 in each direction i.e. a daily service. 14 flights a week sounds a lot better than a daily service, but it's probably the same thing. It would be good to have some clarification either way from QANTAS on this.
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  • mviy

    mviy

    11 Dec, 2016 04:41 pm

    As good as the QF J lounge's reputation is in PER that's still a downgrade for WP passengers compared with the F Lounge.

    I hope QANTAS continues to fly MEL-DXB-LHR to give passengers choice on the route they take.

    If QANTAS does cancel the A380 service they could use it as an opportunity to start refurbishing the A380s with the same J seat that the 787 will have.
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  • Himeno

    Himeno

    11 Dec, 2016 05:39 pm

    For the other possible EU destinations, the current air service agreements would allow (assuming a 236 seat aircraft):

    CDG: 6 flights/week
    FRA: 25 flights/week
    FCO: 7 flights/week
    LON: unlimited, subject to slots.
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  • GregXL

    GregXL

    11 Dec, 2016 06:00 pm

    I had assumed that plan would include an international lounge in the T3/T4 complex.  Qantas have made a big issue of not bussing passengers between terminals, so surely they would not have them using a lounge prior to passport control. 
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  • GregXL

    GregXL

    11 Dec, 2016 07:48 pm

    Would the MEL-PER leg would also mean some PE seats available for domestic pax?   The MEL start also suggests there will be other MEL 787 routes, maybe MEL-DFW?
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  • mviy

    mviy

    11 Dec, 2016 08:38 pm

    I would think so. Either they would sell the PE seat with a new domestic PE bucket or perhaps offer it as an upgrade or op-up for higher status travellers as availability permits. They wouldn't want to jeopardise PE sales for the international sector.

    Of course those flying on to LHR in PE should get to fly it on the domestic sector as well if hopping onto the 787 in MEL.
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  • mviy

    mviy

    11 Dec, 2016 08:40 pm

    I hope they start MEL-SFO flights. It will be interesting to hear what routes the 787 will fly on in due course.
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  • mangoface

    mangoface

    12 Dec, 2016 09:54 am

    Makes sense given Jetstars 787 are based in MEL. I think MEL-LAX will be the first international QAN 787 route (until they switch to PER-LHR when they get enough birds).
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  • Ryan Stephen

    RaptorNation158

    11 Dec, 2016 09:14 pm

    This is history being made, can't wait!
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  • bsb

    bsb

    11 Dec, 2016 09:52 pm

    Slightly off topic, but I thought the 787s were replacing the old 744s. 
    Also if they end MEL LHR, what will they do with the 3(ish) 380's?  BNE LAX? SFO in a 380?  Exciting thoughts. 
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  • mviy

    mviy

    11 Dec, 2016 10:52 pm

    The 787s will add new routes and also likely replace some 747s eventually. QANTAS will decide on the routes and timing that suits them.

    The A380s will need refurbishing even if it just means replacing seating e.g. putting the new 787 (or better) J seats in the A380. So if an A380 service is cancelled in my opinion that would be the ideal time to start that process. If the PER to LHR route fails badly they may be able to start the cancelled A380 service again once done with refurbishing. I hope they refurbish all the A380s so that consistency can be achieved once the refurbishment is complete. It's very poor that a few 747s still have J seats that don't lie flat.
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  • Flying Fish

    AWA2602

    12 Dec, 2016 03:11 am

    Being able to do RTW to cover all my family and business bases almost entirely on QF metal and without having to transit in DXB is going to be glorious! Doing my regular MEL-SYD-JFK-LHR-PER-BNE-SYD-MEL run is about to get a whole better with the PER-LHR non-stop service.
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  • David Flynn

    David

    12 Dec, 2016 09:06 am

    Just a reminder: please keep comments on topic, such as discussing this route (and your take on it, where or not you'd fly it, the Perth domestic arrangements etc) and adding value to the conversation.
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  • zoomzoom

    zoomzoom

    12 Dec, 2016 09:23 am

    So what?.........and just one destination in Europe!...........fly via Aia, pick just about any city..............great airlines better product and great value prices. Too little too late.............QF is largely irrelevant to me as a business traveller. 
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  • John Phelan

    John Phelan

    12 Dec, 2016 11:00 am

    ...err, that's the point of QF's hubbing to DXB - you can fly from DXB to virtually any major city in Europe.
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  • Himeno

    Himeno

    12 Dec, 2016 04:08 pm

    Maybe they could create a partnership with oneworld partner Finnair.
    Run PER-HEL (13,085 km), much more doable then the 14,500km to LHR, with connections into EU on AY.

    The 'issue' with QF going to EU via Asia is there are limits to how many through flights they are allowed depending on the port with 5th freedom in the air service agreements. eg, they can only have 14 flights/week to Europe from HKG.
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  • Jeffrey FRANCIS

    jeff.francis

    12 Dec, 2016 09:43 am

    What is annoying, is being pushed to travel via Dubai when travel via Hong Kong is a dream!!!!!
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  • eminere

    eminere

    12 Dec, 2016 01:04 pm

    So fly CX then. Asking QF to compete against CX at their home hub is nonsensical.
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  • Mark

    Mightyreds

    12 Dec, 2016 10:23 am

    I still wish they had Singapore as the main hub to Europe, but unfortunately these days are gone and unlikely to come back.
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  • Lombard

    Lombard

    12 Dec, 2016 10:25 am

    Darwin would have been a more suitable hub for east coast passengers. A shorter distance from ADL, MEL, SYD & BNE to LHR, therefore less travel time, less fuel used.  
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  • Himeno

    Himeno

    12 Dec, 2016 04:12 pm

    DRW-LHR would be a better idea then PER-LHR. A 13,872 km flight would be much more doable then a 14,499 km flight. They wouldn't have to block off as many seats.
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  • moecat

    moecat

    12 Dec, 2016 11:53 pm

    You wouldn't need to block of the seat as the 3 people that live in DRW wont be on the plane
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  • Fonga

    Fonga

    12 Dec, 2016 11:14 am

    Non-stop to LHR is still a surprise. I would have thought a better option would be a flight from Perth to Dubai, then onwards to Frankfurt, picking up east coast passengers there.

    Still, very exciting to see Perth become a hub and the non-stop to LHR should prove very popular. A lot will depend on how they configure Terminal 3. It still looks like a LCC terminal, but the convenience of the short unhurried walk from the T4 lounges should make it far more attractive than a Sydney or Melbourne transfer onto the A380s.

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  • Dee Thom

    Dee Thom

    12 Dec, 2016 12:57 pm

    Would have thought Darwin would push more at making a hub to Europe,a bit like DXB has, I'm sure the N.T. Government would have thrown some money at such a project. It seems more practical than hubing Perth.
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  • Kerry  Ward

    brisflyer

    12 Dec, 2016 01:50 pm

    I think this is great news for Perth and possibly Adelaide and Melbourne (for passengers in favour of this new route).  I think it could be popular with tourists flying into Australia via the west coast and departing via the east coast (or vice versa). I think the timing of the flights will be important and whether you can "sleep" on a plane as to whether passengers prefer this route.  For us, we can't really sleep so this route is not for us.  We will favour routes up to 13-15 hours.  We are in Brisbane. When flying to Europe we would prefer to fly via Hong Kong, Japan or Singapore and have a stop-over.  There is some speculation that Qantas will also look at making Perth a hub and commencing routes to another destinations in Europe.  If Perth to London works, then that could be a good idea.  However, I would hope that the next dreamliner routes to be announced are not via Perth but rather via Sydney, Brisbane or Melbourne (to the US or Asia).
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  • mcglynp

    mcglynp

    12 Dec, 2016 02:48 pm

    Difficult not to see this in terms of a vanity project by Qantas in linking Aus to the UK direct.  But the long tease on the dreamliner from Qantas is becoming tiring.  I'm sure the numbers must add up,  but the thought of sitting in economy for 17 hours is horrific.  Yes the seats have 1'' more pitch,  but they also very narrow at just over 17..  Everyone will be different of course,  and I am sure there is a market for those who need to get to their destination as soon as practical.  However if you are on the east coast,  and unless the feeder domestic flight is very well timed..  it may be well be cheaper,  healthier  and quicker to spend an hour walking around SIN or DXB to stretch the legs. 
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  • Dave

    Grannular

    12 Dec, 2016 03:54 pm

    A quick look at QF8 times DFW to SYD shows that flights regularly stretch out beyond 17h. It was popular enough to upgrade from 747 to A380, so there must be plenty of people who are willing to do it 
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  • Dave Burrows

    ConMon

    12 Dec, 2016 03:35 pm

    I wonder if they will open the bar up early
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  • Dundas

    Dundas

    12 Dec, 2016 05:22 pm

    I flew with TG on an A340-500 when they flew LAX-BKK non-stop, a similar distance to PER-LHR. Thai's seat pitch in Y for those flights was 36"  and in PE, which I flew, 42". It was more than bearable -- although Thai lost money on each and every flight, hence the reason the non-stops ceased.

    Having flown on a 787-8 with the same seat pitch Qantas is boasting about for the 787-9, I don't think I will be a candidate for the new route, even if the UK was my preferred European destination. From Melbourne, it's much easier to take flights of more sensible duration via SIN, HKK or BKK, as other posters have suggested. 
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  • sharon paterson

    SHA

    13 Dec, 2016 01:35 am

    Although strictly only a business flier in the type of experience I would prefer-I have to visit Australia to see sons-,who are on East + West coast-and have had varied experiences with both Emirates + Qantas on the 2 return trips I have had during the last 3 years. I should be thrilled with the idea of non stop, but  unless Perth improves its capability in terms of immigration staffing-it won't matter how much you have paid- it all gets terrible when you join a long queue on arrival. I hope increasing the staffing will help-but remain unconvinced !

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  • Fonga

    Fonga

    13 Dec, 2016 10:11 am

    As the flights have been shifted away from the international terminal to the Qantas domestic side of the runway you shouldn't experience the woeful under-staffing of Immigration that most pax experience in Perth. 
    Would be such an easy thing to fix but causes such damage to our reputation as a destination.
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  • Dave

    Grannular

    13 Dec, 2016 10:42 am

    This flight won't be flying into the international terminal. Your flight will effectively have its own dedicated immigration team on the QF domestic side. 
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  • Lombard

    Lombard

    13 Dec, 2016 01:50 pm

    London to Perth flights are marginal on fuel range, where's the alternative airport if Perth is suddenly closed. They have only 900 Km reserve, the nearest runway is 1100 km away! 
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  • AussieGuest

    AussieGuest

    18 Dec, 2016 10:45 pm

    I'm a bit unsure on this one.  Possibly good news for Perth but I can't see pax flying in from the east coast for this service.  It's approx 5.5 hrs from BNE giving approx 23hrs flight times plus transit in Perth.  Just like new coke, it seems a good idea but for eastern seabord dwellers it doesn't make sense.   Similar flight times on the spacious EK A380 via DXB are available and frequent.  Interested to see what the cost will be.
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  • Jazzop

    Jazzop

    19 Dec, 2016 01:41 pm

    Agree. MEL - LHR currently on QF9 via DXB takes 24 hours 15 minutes.

    Doing the maths on PER becoming a hub for LHR flights, means it's 4 hours 5 minutes MEL - PER.  Assume a 2 hour turn around time for the 787 in Perth, you then have  a 23 hour trip. So you save an hour, which is good. So long as there are no delays etc.

    But your transit is PER QF Domestic as apposed to some of the best airports in the world for transit ie Dubai, Singapore, Hong Kong.  Plus with those you get to stop over and stretch your legs around a third - mid way through your trip.

    If I was in business, I'd consider it.  But otherwise no way. 
    And just wait for the competition to discount fares from PER to LHR via their hubs once this goes ahead.
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