Qantas to axe Melbourne-London Airbus 380 flights in March 2018

Qantas to axe Melbourne-London Airbus 380 flights in March 2018

Qantas will axe its daily Melbourne-Dubai-London Airbus A380 flights from late March 2018, with the long-running superjumbo route cancelled in favour of the new non-stop Boeing 787 service between Perth and London.

The last flight of the current QF9 service to London via Dubai will be on March 23, 2018.

The following day will see the debut of the new QF9 service to London via Perth, which will begin with a Melbourne-Perth leg for the Dreamliner.

As previously and exclusively tipped by Australian Business Traveller, dropping Melbourne-Dubai-London flights reflects Qantas’ rationale the Kangaroo Route market cannot sustain both of the daily Airbus A380s from Sydney and Melbourne plus the new Boeing 787 from Perth.

Here are the new options for Melbourne flyers who are bound for Blighty from March 24, 2018...

1. London via Perth (Qantas Boeing 787)

The daily Boeing 787 Perth-London service will actually begin at Melbourne, with a cross-country leg departing Melbourne's international terminal at 3.20pm to reach Perth at 5.20pm.

After a 90 minute layover – with most of that time spent at an all-new Qantas Perth International Lounge – the Dreamliner will set off for its non-stop run to London, reaching Heathrow at 5.10am the following day.

The return journey on QF10 sees the Boeing 787 wheels-up from London at 1.30pm, arriving into Perth at 1.15pm the next day; at 2.45pm it continues onto Melbourne, touching down at 8.10pm.

2. London via Sydney (Qantas Airbus A380)

The Melbourne-Perth-London option won't appeal to all travellers, however.

Some will shy away from spending 17 non-stop hours in the air (in what will rate as the world's third-longest passenger flight).

Others will want to fly in first class, which won't be available on the Boeing 787 because the Dreamliner tops out at business class.

This leaves a domestic leg to Sydney for the 3.50pm departure of QF1, and of course a southbound rebound from Sydney to Melbourne once QF2 returns.

(An upshot of this: Sydney-based QF1 flyers can expect to see fewer points-based upgrades available from business class to first class, as Melbourne travellers will soak up their share of the superjumbo's 14 first class suites.)

3. London via Dubai with Emirates

Qantas partner Emirates has three daily flights to its Dubai hub – two direct and one via Singapore – with onwards connections to London as well as several other destinations in the UK.

And from March 25, 2018, all three of those flights will be on the Emirates Airbus A380.

Potential wrinkles: Emirates doesn’t offer premium economy seating – although the airline has revealed plans to launch the ‘better than economy’ class by mid-2018 – and you can't use your Qantas frequent flyer points to apply for an upgrade such as from business class to first class.

4. London via anywhere else with another airline

Of course, Qantas and Emirates aren't the only options for Melbourne-London travellers – and the A380's axing could prompt some Melbourne-based Qantas flyers to reconsider their loyalty to the Roo.

Front-runners would include Oneworld partners Qatar (which from mid-2017 will run its flagship Airbus A380 to Melbourne) and Cathay Pacific (with six flights a day connecting Hong Kong to London).

Outside of the Oneworld family, Singapore Airlines and Etihad Airways will have strong appeal.

If you're a Melbourne reader who currently flies to London with Qantas on QF9, what will you do after March 23, 2018..?

PREVIOUS [December 11, 2016] | Qantas could axe its daily Melbourne-London flights from early 2018, with the long-running route cancelled in favour of a new non-stop Boeing 787 service between Perth and London.

A Qantas source, speaking with Australian Business Traveller on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the matter, said the airline's plans to pull out of the Melbourne-Dubai-London route were driven by concerns that the debut of the non-stop Boeing 787 service between Perth and London could over-saturate the Kangaroo Route with more seats than passengers.

The airline’s network analysts posit the local market may not be able to sustain both of the daily Airbus A380s from Sydney and Melbourne plus the new Boeing 787 from Perth, which modelling indicates will carry a significant number of Qantas travellers jetting in from Australia’s eastern capitals to make the direct Dreamliner flight.

Under the plan, the Perth-London Boeing 787 route would begin in Melbourne – with the Melbourne-Perth leg flown by the same Boeing 787 as bound for London – and the flight would take over the QF9/QF10 flight numbers currently assigned to the Melbourne-London Airbus A380.

Pulling the plug on the Melbourne-London service would free up several Airbus A380s which the airline could reassign to other popular routes or potentially open new routes.

The airline is believed to be considering other scenarios which could see Emirates roster one of its own aircraft onto the Melbourne-Dubai leg as a codeshare with Qantas, or have the Qantas A380 fly from Melbourne to Dubai with Emirates offering onwards connections to London and other destinations in the UK, Europe, Africa and even India.

One potential wrinkle is that unlike Qantas, Emirates doesn’t offer premium economy seating – although the airline has recently revealed plans to launch the ‘better than economy’ class by mid-2018.

Read more: Emirates confirms premium economy launch by mid-2018

In response, a Qantas spokesman told Australian Business Traveller "we have no immediate plans to change the Melbourne or Sydney services."

"The arrival of the Boeing 787s will open up new opportunities and result in some changes to our network over time. We'll work those through and make any adjustments based on what’s happening in the market."

David Flynn
David Flynn is the editor of Australian Business Traveller and a bit of a travel tragic with a weakness for good coffee, shopping and lychee martinis.
 

141 comments

  • deva22

    deva22

    11 Dec, 2016 02:19 pm

    Hopefully replace the 747s on BNE>LAX or add BNE>DFW
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  • Serg

    Serg

    12 Dec, 2016 08:46 am

    Unfortunately they most likely to ditch 747 in favor of 380
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  • Matt Rudolph

    Mattr72

    27 Apr, 2017 05:19 pm

    Hello emirates, SingaporeAir!!
    Qantas needs to eye off the A350-1000
    787 too small for 17hrs thanks.
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  • DB

    aussieboyaussie

    27 Apr, 2017 07:45 pm

    Hell yes! Great idea. 
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  • Alex

    tm_smile

    11 Dec, 2016 02:19 pm

    Not sure there are really any other routes which QF would use an A380 on...
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  • fxdxdy

    fxdxdy

    11 Dec, 2016 03:32 pm

    Agree, it is alot of capacity.
    If they were to use the A380s to retire 747s then they might wind up flying them to Chile and South Africa if the twin engines don't get the ETOPs they need.
    It might be hard to fill those big planes on those routes.
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  • JoeA350

    JoeA350

    11 Dec, 2016 02:25 pm

    Syd hkg 

    Syd Sin 
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  • hutch

    hutch

    11 Dec, 2016 02:43 pm

    Perhaps MEL-DXB terminator service? Still allows once stop connection to Europe but will free up at least 1 A380 for SYD-HKG
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  • ajstubbs

    ajstubbs

    11 Dec, 2016 03:14 pm

    New MEL through DXB onto other EU hubs? FRA or CDG. New US locations? with EK agreement renegotiation not that far off, there's lots of options. 
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  • markpk

    markpk

    11 Dec, 2016 03:27 pm

    I don't fly to Europe, but I'd be damn happy if they rostered the A380 spares onto BNE-US - either LAX or SFO...
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  • patrickk

    patrickk

    11 Dec, 2016 03:39 pm

    I can see where this is heading: the A380s all out of Sydney (HK and Singapore added) and the 787s all out of Melbourne (at least for a while). Later in 2018 there will be a 787 Melbourne to Dallas and the LA A380 may be replaced by a 787s. Melbourne to Europe may be via a Dubai terminator, but I supsect Paris will be next then maybe Frankfurt all Melbourne via Perth. Timing will be an issue so there is not a clump of 787s at the same time as they will need some Melb-Perth domestic load.
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  • T L

    Kitch

    11 Dec, 2016 03:40 pm

    They still should fly to Dubai then maybe onto Paris. Or they should change the Mel to hkg to an a380
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  • Longreach

    Longreach

    11 Dec, 2016 03:40 pm

    Firstly, David, there is no such word as "onto". Sadly you need two words, namely "on" and "to", should you wish to express yourself in correct English, as expected from a luminary such as your good self.

    As others have already expressed, Qantas should be providing an A380 service to Australia's third-largest city.

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  • John Phelan

    John Phelan

    11 Dec, 2016 08:21 pm

    The Macquarie Dictionary recognises "onto" as a proper word.

    And further, it specifically notes:  "Usage: Some writers maintain that onto should always be two separate words, as in she jumped on to the boat. This is not consistent with common practice with into, and there is no reason why onto, like into, cannot be written as one word when a preposition (jump onto the boat, walk onto the stage) and otherwise as two words (carry on to the end, move on to discuss other things)."
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  • wanderer_au

    wanderer_au

    12 Dec, 2016 10:18 am

    Why all the red arrows on an A380 service from BNE? Anything that puts downward pressure on QF flights from SYD and MEL has got to be a good thing, yes?
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  • John Brennan

    John Brennan

    28 Apr, 2017 03:23 pm

    Onto is grammatical correct and why bother commenting.

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  • mviy

    mviy

    11 Dec, 2016 04:18 pm

    I do hope they don't do this. Would much rather the SYD flights were dropped (if any).

    Being able to fly from PER-LHR direct would be nice but it would be good if MEL-PER-LHR was an alternative to MEL-DXB-LHR on QF metal, not the only option.
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  • tarmac

    tarmac

    11 Dec, 2016 07:58 pm

    Obviously a Melburnian, hilarious if you actually think they'll drop SYD-LHR (the original kangaroo route, arguably their most 'prestigious' route) over MEL-LHR given the choice.
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  • John Phelan

    John Phelan

    11 Dec, 2016 08:23 pm

    MEL-DXB-LHR will continue to offered on EK metal (but you can use the QF codeshare flight number for status credits and points).
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  • mviy

    mviy

    11 Dec, 2016 08:51 pm

    I'm a QFF member because I want to fly QF not EK. If EK was the only option I'd have to consider my options very carefully. I may need to reconsider whether LTG is worth aiming for if the MEL flights are dropped. At least going via SYD (if they don't price gouge) could be an option still and would deliver more SCs than MEL-DXB-LHR but dropping the MEL flights would likely increase award seat demand for SYD-DXB-LHR and further reduce upgrade chances.
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  • Himeno

    Himeno

    11 Dec, 2016 09:47 pm

    Unless EK joins oneworld, or otherwise allows QF coded EK operated flights to be used for oneworld ticket products, I have no reason to fly on EK.
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  • Packetman21

    Packetman21

    27 Apr, 2017 01:01 pm

    Which is highly unlikely as *cough* Qatar *cough* is in it...
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  • Brackenboy

    Brackenboy

    12 Dec, 2016 02:31 pm

    mviy, read the article again, your wish sill be granted: Under the plan, the Perth-London Boeing 787 route would begin in Melbourne – with the Melbourne-Perth leg flown by the same Boeing 787 as bound for London.
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  • mviy

    mviy

    12 Dec, 2016 04:46 pm

    My wish was for a PER-LHR flight to be an alternative to MEL-DXB-LHR (or MEL-HKG-LHR or MEL-SIN-LHR) on QF metal, not a replacement for it. There should be a one stop option with access to the FLounge. After all high status passengers flying J on a PER-LHR route will be vital for its success.
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  • howdoyoudeleteuraccountlol jefferson

    Logan.A

    31 Dec, 2016 07:31 pm

    quite late here but do you think alternating daily between MEL-DXB-LHR and MEL-PER-LHR work. Could also sub DXB stopover for SIN or HKG
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  • mviy

    mviy

    11 Dec, 2016 04:46 pm

    If QF does cancel the A380 flights one possible upside could be that they could start refurbishing the A380s with the new J seats.

    It would be a big risk to cancel the A380 service. If MEL passengers started flying other airlines they could lose some business
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  • TheRealBabushka

    TheRealBabushka

    11 Dec, 2016 05:11 pm

    This is bad only because the Qantas First lounge may close early if QF 9 is not operating. This impacts all the evening CX, QR, MH and QF flights. This is not good at all...
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  • mviy

    mviy

    11 Dec, 2016 05:24 pm

    And that would make flying the extra to get to WP compared with SG less attractive for MEL residents.
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  • abc

    abc

    11 Dec, 2016 05:11 pm

    Last paragraph is wrong. Pulling the MEL-LHR A380 would free up 2, not 3... QF11/12 uses 2, QF93/94 uses 2, QF7/8 uses 2, QF1/2 uses 3 and there is always one in Manila for maintenance except over XMAS when it's used on SYD/HKG. But something has to give at LHR. QF doesn't have the slots. It's either sold them or leasing them long term. QF has 8 slots at LHR, with 4 leased to BA. So that's two arrivals and two departures. The BA lease is apparently quite lucrative. Oman Air paid Air France/KLM $100 million in February for one early morning arr/dep slot.
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  • Himeno

    Himeno

    11 Dec, 2016 05:49 pm

    The current LHR A380 flights use 5 aircraft, down from 6 when the MEL flights were retimed.

    The DFW flights use just over 2 with the aircraft rotating around the network to maintain the timetable. This is why DFW was 6 weekly and required swapping the 11/12 A380 to a 747 on Tuesdays when DFW went daily. There aren't enough aircraft to have all 5 regular A380 routes using A380s daily.
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  • travelalot

    travelalot

    11 Dec, 2016 06:10 pm

    More business that QF (often called Air Sydney) are happy to hand to their competitors. Depends on pricing, of course -inbound & outbound may well be happy to go via PER or via SYD, but all have the choice and will just buy tickets with other carriers. 
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  • John Phelan

    John Phelan

    11 Dec, 2016 08:27 pm

    Not to their competitors, but to the joint venture partners - EK. Remember it's a revenue sharing partnership, so QF get money when you fly MEL-DXB-LHR on EK.
     
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  • mviy

    mviy

    11 Dec, 2016 08:44 pm

    I for one would much prefer QF metal for MEL-DXB-LHR. I'd prefer to see MEL-SIN-LHR or MEL-HKG-LHR on QF metal, but with the EK partnership I can't see those happening.
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  • Trogdor

    Trogdor

    13 Dec, 2016 08:10 am

    So is this actually a very smart play by Qantas then? 

    Do they drop MEL-DXB knowing that Emirates will pick it up and give them a share of the revenue anyway, while this new route pulls in extra passengers and Emirates don't get a cut of revenue in return as it bypasses Dubai?
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  • Jazzop

    Jazzop

    11 Dec, 2016 07:45 pm

    First up. Unless you're at the point end, who would want to fly PER -LHR non stop? 20 hours on you rear end... no thanks. Even if flying business, a stop over gives you a chance to stretch your legs and have a shower.

    So I really hope Qantas don't do PER - LHR with 787.  The only benefit is to those in Perth and could they satisfy this? I don't know.  I see this as just PR.

    But pulling out of MEL - LHR is suicide.  It would be poorly received in Australia's second largest market, and they'd kill the loyalty they've built up. At the very least they should do MEL- DXB with A380.

    But the 744s need to be replaced asap.
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  • Shingi Sa

    davidzuo

    11 Dec, 2016 08:25 pm

    I agree with Jazzop - at least trial the PER-LHR for an extended period of time to see the additional effect, then make an informed decision.
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  • wanderer_au

    wanderer_au

    12 Dec, 2016 10:15 am

    I'm guessing Jazzpop hasn't flown QF7/QF8 before.  SYD-DFW is fine.   So it will be with PER-LHR.
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  • Nick  Sydney 348

    Nick Sydney 2

    12 Dec, 2016 10:37 am

    17 hours to LHR is not much more than the 15 +/- to Dallas from Sydney, a flight I do x 4 every year. Then 3.5 to NYC. This is a game changer so lets applaud it 
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  • Ryan Stephen

    RaptorNation158

    11 Dec, 2016 09:20 pm

    Well if the PER-LHR flight does indeed begin in Melbourne then I'll have no issues, people already endure flights to the US and just the novelty of flying directly from Australia to Europe might work too if priced correctly. 
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  • MelbFlyer

    MelbFlyer

    11 Dec, 2016 10:26 pm

    Scraping QF9/10 would be the worst mistake they could make. I think atleast flying the A380 to DXB to time with QF1 would be okay. Melbourne is undeniably going to be Australia's biggest city at some point so killing there loyalty in MEL with a move like that would seriously hurt them in the long term. Especially with so many carries like SQ/CX ready to jump in and serve MEL multiple times a day. 
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  • Mark

    Mightyreds

    12 Dec, 2016 10:32 am

    I doubt Melbourne will overtake Sydney in population.
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  • Brian Williams

    evilbrian

    12 Dec, 2016 11:01 am

    Mark - it's a matchematical and geographical certainty that Melbournes population will overtake Sydney's within the next 30 years,as shown by ABS modelling, amongst others.
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  • lind26

    lind26

    12 Dec, 2016 10:11 pm

    It's already projected
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  • Looking

    Looking

    11 Dec, 2016 10:33 pm

    Agree with many here, despite the million spent on sport sponsorship QF lacks an international play to win mindset. Ample demand for the Mel - Lon service to remain as well as the services from Perth and Sydney.  But then again perhaps BA will come back to Melbourne?
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  • hutch

    hutch

    14 Dec, 2016 01:53 am

    @looking - you can have BA all you want. 
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  • Michael Gibbons

    rowwdy

    27 Apr, 2017 06:25 pm

    I hope BA takes advantage of this chance to return to MEL. QF9/10 will be good, but another OW option via Singapore or Hong Kong would be a brilliant outcome. 
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  • Serg

    Serg

    12 Dec, 2016 09:30 am

    IMHO QF flying way too much to DXB and way too little to continental Europe. So if they ditch MEL-LHR route and add (as they said in other news) MEL-FRA/CDG/FCO (or any other continental Europe destination) it would be only positive in my books. YMMV of course.
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  • wanderer_au

    wanderer_au

    12 Dec, 2016 10:17 am

    Anything that puts downward pressure on QF prices to Blighty is to be encouraged.  I hope a third port flying to LHR will have that effect, and encourage more people to fly QF to LHR.  Roll on PER-LHR.
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  • GregXL

    GregXL

    12 Dec, 2016 11:15 am

    Are loads on QF9/10 so poor that changing to a 787 via Perth, with close to half the seating makes sense? That's a big drop in seats ex Mel, when the pax joining in Perth that didn't fly QF previously taken into account.  I note the start date is in the low season, so perhaps additional services will be added as the 787 fleet expands.
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  • fiscal

    fiscal

    12 Dec, 2016 11:15 am

    I hope that the WA government have a tight, long term, contract with Qantas otherwise it might not be taxpayer money well spent. History has show that Qantas international has not treated Perth well in the past.
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  • Arcanum

    Arcanum

    12 Dec, 2016 11:41 am

    Are they cancelling the entire MEL-LHR route or just the DXB-LHR portion?  If they retimed QF9/10, passengers going to LHR could connect to QF1/2 in DXB, maintaining an all-A380 service from MEL while still reducing capacity and freeing up a plane.
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  • ajstubbs

    ajstubbs

    14 Dec, 2016 10:27 am

    I can see this working only if the ex-MEL A380 continues on to another EU destination or you'd have 800+ people many wanting a spot on that QF1 plane to LHR! Every time i've flown QF9/10, the plane has been nearing or at capacity - very hard to see QF scrapping an A380 service from MEL to EU altogether - rerouting maybe, maybe not daily but altogether would be suicide. MEL has too many other good options for people to switch to, especially with CX bringing their A350 and SQ their A380!
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  • Anthony Thompson

    triumph8

    12 Dec, 2016 12:28 pm

    someone needs to tell joyce and his band of merry men that you cannot shrink your way to prosperit, emirates just keeps getting stronger and qantas weaker.

    I wouldnt fly across the country just to fly one hop to london thats what i do now from brisbane via any number of great airlines.
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  • hutch

    hutch

    14 Dec, 2016 01:59 am

    But isn't that what they were telling AJ back when he was culling routes left right & centre? And now, when routes are being re-established or new routes started, people are still finding many more negatives than positives. 
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  • wayne Litton

    Litto

    12 Dec, 2016 02:28 pm

    I think that there is a problem with timings for a Mel/Per/Lhr/Per/Mel rotation, I believe that the 787 will originate and terminate in Perth and QF will offer domestic connections. Interestingly with these muted changes QF would have an a380 on the ground in LHR all day, they changed the schedule to get better utilisation out of the 380. My thoughts are that they will change the QF001 to operate via Sin and offer connections from Mel/Bne. This has already been suggested by CAPA. EK will do all the ME/Africa and Euro flying with QF code shares.
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  • patrickk

    patrickk

    13 Dec, 2016 06:31 am

    Wayne they are far more likely to base the 787 in Melbourne than in Perth. Basing a plane somewhere is expensive. They will have to employ a few more Perth based crew for this exercise anyway.
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  • Steve987

    Steve987

    12 Dec, 2016 06:44 pm

    Maybe I am an optimist, but I doubt they drop melbourne to London via Dubai completely (and I would define reliance on codeshare as completely).

    Surely they will get sufficient traffic from Adelaide, Darwin and other east coast cities (some Sydney and Brisbane people will choose this option if only for the novelty) that the 787 service won't be enough supply to fill the current melbourne service demand plus this extra demand.


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  • Steve987

    Steve987

    12 Dec, 2016 06:50 pm

    PS I would travel with someone else from Melbourne before doing the non-stop, unless in business (and even then it is a toss up). Second choice would be QF1/2, then as a distant third the 787 option.
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  • OCA

    OCA

    13 Dec, 2016 12:11 am

    Lots of moaning from over on the East coast. Suck it up we have had ONE QF flight internationally a day and in business the fully sit up crap seats and the cost......still the same as if I had a flat pod about 3k. Shame Alan bloody Joyce. No wonder we all fly Emirates to gain miles and fly in some style not the Singapore public 737 crappy bus you expect us to fly on! I now use SA airlines to get to Singapore.
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  • Dave

    Grannular

    13 Dec, 2016 10:46 am

    You fly South African Airways to Singapore(SA)? That seems like a very indirect way to go.
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  • mviy

    mviy

    13 Dec, 2016 03:54 pm

    The news article Qatar Airways plans Airbus A380 flights to Melbourne seems to indicate that the rumour of QF killing the A380 service on its flagship route is unlikely to be true. Surely QF would rather people flew QF metal than on partners such as Qatar?

    Perhaps someone in QF deliberately wanted to spread misinformation.
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  • hutch

    hutch

    14 Dec, 2016 02:08 am

    I fail to see the connection whatsoever... assuming QF drops MEL-DXB-LHR, there will be some people who won't fly via PER and others who will. 

    Every time there is a change of some sort, there are rumblings from some like the world is ending. Some will leave and never come back, some leave and come back, and some new customers will be found. 
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  • Roger Benson

    sharrkey

    14 Dec, 2016 09:29 pm

    A good solution would be to replace the A 380 MEl to DXB and LHR with another dreamliner on this route. That would not result in a capacity excess and would help keep a loyal customer base with an improved product
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  • Alex Moris

    Alex Moris

    24 Jan, 2017 03:12 am

    With all the finest options from carriers such Emirates, Etihad, Qatar, Singapore that operate A380 services from MEL to EUROPE , who offer amazing inflight services, modern hard products such as new seats,  inflight bar, WIFi etc Why would anyone be foolish to choose to fly QF with their aged A380's with uncomfortable seats, 2-2-2 layout, no bar and WIFI.
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  • TheRealBabushka

    TheRealBabushka

    27 Apr, 2017 11:32 am

    So what's the news on the MEL Qantas First Lounge? That's the important bit!
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  • reeves35

    reeves35

    27 Apr, 2017 11:39 am

    You'd have to think that given it will only be servixing one F flight a day that QF will eventually axe the lounge, probably at the same time it upgrades the Business Lounge to something more attractive than the current dungeon.
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  • TheRealBabushka

    TheRealBabushka

    27 Apr, 2017 11:44 am

    Axing that lounge! Well I never... dear, dear, dear.....tsk,tsk,tsk....
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  • mviy

    mviy

    27 Apr, 2017 12:15 pm

    If they axe the lounge I think a lot of those with WP won't see value in going out of their way to get it over SG anymore. The FLounge is one of the main benefits of WP over SG especially as WP doesn't get treated any better in combined QF Business/First lounges.
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  • ajstubbs

    ajstubbs

    27 Apr, 2017 11:35 am

    Shocking decision. I'm staggered. They will lose so much MEL business; you can't just disenfranchise MEL customers many of whom won't like the alternate options. Can see this being reversed at some point, or maybe i'm just hoping.
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  • reeves35

    reeves35

    27 Apr, 2017 11:45 am

    I agree.  I fly to Europe at least annually, typically in PE though sometimes in Y.  I always avoid 9 abreast 787s and 10 abreast 777s.  I will definitely be moving to SQ who offers great and consistent Y & W products.
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  • ajstubbs

    ajstubbs

    27 Apr, 2017 11:49 am

    I try and stick to OW and normally try and give QF my business because they're my preference for a number of reasons, but looks like my EU trip later this year will be my last with them on the kangaroo route! Cathay's looking good!
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  • Angus  Coventry

    Covo95

    27 Apr, 2017 11:36 am

    This will free up a few A380's. I reckon they will be used on Asian routes that are currently flown by the 747, I.e, Sydney to Tokyo, Sydney/Melbourne to Hong Kong. The A380 is uneconomic on long routes 
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  • reeves35

    reeves35

    27 Apr, 2017 11:41 am

    The A380 is unbeatably economic on long-haul routes provided you can fill it.
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  • Angus  Coventry

    Covo95

    27 Apr, 2017 11:43 am

    Qantas struggles to fill the A380's on flights to the USA except in peak periods like our summer break. 
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  • ajstubbs

    ajstubbs

    27 Apr, 2017 11:44 am

    I'd assume they'll be put in for a cabin overhaul before being reallocated.
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  • Angus  Coventry

    Covo95

    27 Apr, 2017 11:45 am

    Yeah I think so too. 787 style seats will end up on the A380 
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  • fresh  thoughts

    freshthoughts

    27 Apr, 2017 11:39 am

    cant imagine this is a smart move by qantas, there is already extra capacity with etihad dropping their A380 and then they cut it further. this is very alienating for Melbourne based travellers especially as melbourne will soon overtake sydney in population.

    why on earth would any of them want to fly on a plane as badly configured at the 787 ?
    very annoying move by Qantas
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  • levelnine

    levelnine

    27 Apr, 2017 11:48 am

    Exactly. I'll be taking my business elsewhere.
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  • tjtecoma

    tjtecoma

    27 Apr, 2017 12:14 pm

    Me too.  I plan to do Cathay until QF upgrade A380s to the J suites and then I will happily go via Sydney (from MEL).  I just can't face 17 hours in any class - I need to get off the damn plane for a break.
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  • Damien Harbert

    Damien00

    27 Apr, 2017 11:49 am

    I'll miss this flight, have taken it a number of times but only once all the way through to LHR. Personally I enjoy getting the Qantas flight to out over night to DXB then hoping on to an Emirates flight to take me direct to my final destination.

    I get that QF probably has an oversupply of capacity to LHR, even just with the 2 x A380's at certain times.... But it's a pity they can't retain some service to Dubai out of Melbourne.
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  • MelbFlyer

    MelbFlyer

    27 Apr, 2017 12:06 pm

    Such a mistake! I fully understand three daily flights to LHR is excessive but they should still offer the A380 to Dubai so we have the option for QF at least half the way. Meanwhile EK move their second direct flight to an A380 and QF have nothing!
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  • RK

    Ryan K

    27 Apr, 2017 12:13 pm

    So let me get this straight... Melbourne passengers now have no way to fly to Dubai on ANY Qantas aircraft unless they go via Sydney? Wow, Qantas - what are you thinking? Qantas are going to lose a lot of premium passengers out of Melbourne due to this move.
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  • Frank

    Frank

    28 Apr, 2017 05:39 pm

    Join the Club in Perth my friend, we've had the option of a scummy single QF 737 once daily  to Singapore for about 5 years now.
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  • Dean

    deany83

    27 Apr, 2017 12:15 pm

    You never know if Mel > DXB might be a future 787 route, you'll just have to wait and see as more planes join the fleet.
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  • Damien Harbert

    Damien00

    27 Apr, 2017 12:25 pm

    Possibly, but there's still going to be a gap in which they'll loose customers to other airlines. The LHR and LAX flights will use up the first 4 787's and with no more coming online until the second half of 2018...

    More likely they're going to rely on customers booking QF tickets on EK metal for revenue on this leg.  Goodbye upgrades!
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  • hutch

    hutch

    27 Apr, 2017 12:28 pm

    When QF dropped MEL-HKG-LHR to consolidate in SIN, everyone said this was the end and they would take their business elsewhere.

    The QF dropped SIN and moved to DXB. Again the common theme was that they would fly with someone else.

    QF re-timed the MEL-DXB-LHR flight. You guessed it...

    Now QF drops MEL-DXB-LHR with MEL-PER-LHR without First... again people say they will stop flying them.

    But the reality is, despite all the passengers dropping off and going elsewhere....they are still flying.

    Undoubtedly, some people will go elsewhere. That's great, that's why we have competition and options. But perhaps new customers will be attracted. Kudos to QF for doing something different, even if it doesn't work out as planned... now time to refurbish the A380's


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  • ajstubbs

    ajstubbs

    27 Apr, 2017 12:33 pm

    Under normal circumstances i'd agree, and you are right, but stopovers, timing etc. are a different ball game to a 17 hour flight. It's a very unusual factor to consider, combined with the fact that, from MEL, any location other than LHR is now a minimum of 2 stops away. 
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  • hutch

    hutch

    27 Apr, 2017 12:59 pm

    The loss of one-stops to non-London Europe is a negative indeed. But those things didn't exist before the DXB leg was brought in and people still whinged then. 

    I assume that QF has run the numbers and that the connections lost is outweighed by their predicted yield premium of PER-LHR direct. They may end of up wrong, they may not.
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  • ajstubbs

    ajstubbs

    27 Apr, 2017 01:01 pm

    Yep, it'll be interesting to see how the yields work out - they certainly seem confident! I hope for their sake it's not a failure, and full marks for a revolutionary new route, but I hope for MELs sake that we get an A380 route back at some point :)
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  • Michael Gibbons

    rowwdy

    27 Apr, 2017 06:37 pm

    They may reinstate the MEL-DXB flight once the refurb picks up. More Asian capacity would also be great for AY codeshares. 
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  • StudiodeKadent

    StudiodeKadent

    27 Apr, 2017 12:53 pm

    I have to admit I find this pretty sad, even a touch troubling. I guess part of the problem is EK keep expanding their frequencies to LHR instead of directing feed onto QF's planes. I also think its sad that Qantas First is being offered less and less.

    But I think this makes it clear... The A380 was indeed too large for Qantas.
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  • hutch

    hutch

    27 Apr, 2017 12:59 pm

    Maybe.... but maybe there is a just a better port for the A380 to service for QF. 
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  • Nick  Sydney 348

    Nick Sydney 2

    27 Apr, 2017 01:03 pm

    The 380 is probably too big for most airline's save the ME 3 whose position globally makes them ideal hubs to carry volume 
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  • aniljak

    aniljak

    27 Apr, 2017 01:05 pm

    How many melbourne  passengers flew on QF9 to dubai and connected to europe, africa and mid east on Emirates  or other airlines, so they can fly qantas? They are not going to choose to go via perth, then  an 18 hour trip to LHR, transit tat one of the worlds worst transit airports, then fly BACKWARDS to Europe. Nobody will go via Sydney! Watch the other airlines boom! Qantas needs to return to its succesful hubbing in Singapore, with feeder flights from all over Australia  connecting to Asia and European  services. Even if they hubbed there with flights to just London, Dubai  and a few European  destinations  there would be more choice for all Australians. By the way does anybody know if Alan Joyce is here on a 457 visa or does he have citizenship?
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  • John Phelan

    John Phelan

    27 Apr, 2017 05:32 pm

    Alan Joyce has been an Australian citizen for some years. And he's lived here since the 90s. What childish point were you trying to make?
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  • TheFreqFlyer

    TheFreqFlyer

    5 Oct, 2017 07:38 pm

    What is the Qantas obsession with Singapore? As much as I like Singapore and particularly it's airport, travellers generally prefer Bangkok as a stopover destination. Unlike Singapore, where most travellers remain in transit, travellers heading to Europe will often spend a couple of days in Bangkok for shopping and relaxation. Even as a business destination, Bangkok is popular, with lots of manufacturing industries located on Thailand's eastern seaboard, just a 1-2 hour drive from Suvarnabhumi airport. Singapore by contrast, with a couple of exceptions is mostly non-productive banking, insurance and finance.
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  • Nick  Sydney 348

    Nick Sydney 2

    27 Apr, 2017 01:06 pm

    One sad aspect will be not seeing two 380's parked at LHR.  Always nice to see both ready to carry you home.  
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  • ajstubbs

    ajstubbs

    27 Apr, 2017 01:17 pm

    It is surprisingly comforting!
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  • Himeno

    Himeno

    27 Apr, 2017 04:14 pm

    You didn't anyway (unless there was a problem).
    1 380 arrived in the morning and departed just before lunch, while the 2nd arrived just after lunch and departed in the evening.
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  • bl812

    bl812

    27 Apr, 2017 01:12 pm

    certainly if one had the option to fly EK versus QF on the 380-s on business or first -QF was always the second fiddler
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  • Craig

    crwilkins

    27 Apr, 2017 01:19 pm

    QF is not the first airline to drop or reduce A380 capacity out of Melbourne, it seems clearly the market demand is just not there to fill them, and EK/EY are no guide as they seem to not care about light loads, SQ, CX etc have all down gauged aircraft ex MEL over the past few years. Part of the issue is I think the A380 is a dog unless it's full, and probably why airlines globally have not really taken it up. Also, 17 hours PER/LHR...I do the SYD/DFW return 2-3 times a year, both Y and J and its not that bad
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  • log0008

    log0008

    27 Apr, 2017 01:35 pm

    Sure we have seen some changes this week but over the past 2 years EY has gone from 1 77W flight to double daily, QR is now bringing the A380, CX has upgraded 1 flight to the 77W and 1 to the A350 this year and SQ is now back with the A380 and is adding an additional 4 weekly flight from May. 
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  • MelbFlyer

    MelbFlyer

    27 Apr, 2017 06:40 pm

    Not sure where you getting this information. SQ217/218 has been confirmed as a year round A380 flight and CX has already upgraded two of its three daily flights this year? 
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  • Cameron Hocking

    blingwad

    27 Apr, 2017 01:20 pm

    received an email from qantas-

    "with our A380 that currently operates Melbourne-London to be redeployed to meet periods of high demand, including from Melbourne and Sydney to Hong Kong and Singapore. "

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  • LoveToFly

    LoveToFly

    27 Apr, 2017 01:22 pm

    I fly to Europe every year and wont be looking to go Via Perth, I couldn't hack 17 hours on a plane. Much prefer the 1 long flight and stop (lounge and shower) and then onto the final destination. 
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  • TheFreqFlyer

    TheFreqFlyer

    5 Oct, 2017 07:16 pm

    If I were you I would make a 2-3 night stopover in Asia in both directions. You get to freshen up, it's a lot less stressful and it does wonders for your body clock. I would never consider flying from Australia (particularly the east coast) to Europe in one go - it's a horrible experience.
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  • TheRealBabushka

    TheRealBabushka

    27 Apr, 2017 01:27 pm

    This is bigger than the London flight. There are 4 OW airlines that fly out of MEL, whose Emerald pax rely on the QF First Lounge. I'm afraid MEL will be very much a second rate airport from an Emerald's perspective if the QF First Lounge shuts altogether. The current CX and MH offerings is subpar. QF business lounge is a souless cave and QR is using that sad NZ lounge. 
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  • Dean

    deany83

    27 Apr, 2017 02:22 pm

    If Perth International terminal is anything to go by, Qantas has no problem operating lounges if they're receiving enough revenue from them.
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  • eminere

    eminere

    27 Apr, 2017 01:27 pm

    Another OW "Kangaroo Route" option that's usually competitively priced is MH, and they roster an A380 with first class from KUL-LHR.
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  • ajstubbs

    ajstubbs

    27 Apr, 2017 01:41 pm

    Not for long, MH were ditching their 2 A380s last I heard!
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  • Himeno

    Himeno

    28 Apr, 2017 03:39 pm

    MH have 6 A380s.
    They wanted to sell/lease them out. No one wanted them. They are instead keeping them for KUL-LHR and Hajj charter flights.
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  • PK

    PK

    27 Apr, 2017 01:32 pm

    Alan Joyce explained at a National Press Club speech a few years ago that as much as his executive team love Melbourne, and certain business people and journalists are always begging him to put more premium capacity on out of Melbourne, its residents do not pay for premium traffic anywhere near as often as Sydney residents do. Time and again Qantas has failed to fill the front cabins with paying customers. Etihad has found the same, as have any number of airlines over the years.  EK's "economics" are an aberration. Honest frequent flyers on this forum know that Melbourne has way lower premium loads across airlines. In the last decade I have flown to a Melbourne a number of times to go from J to F on an upgrade and for late minute F purchases. 

    Certain individuals on this forum and elsewhere may be genuinely upset because they fly premium out of Melbourne.  But if there were greater numbers the flights would not be getting cancelled. Qantas will not "lose" with this move, nor will Etihad - they were "losing" by having the flights.  It is not a question of total overall population, it is a question of demography and spending patterns.  Sydney is classified as a global alpha city and Melbourne is a beta city. That is not pejorative, it is fact.  


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  • TheRealBabushka

    TheRealBabushka

    27 Apr, 2017 02:48 pm

    Agreed and may it stay that way. Quality of life is better in Melbourne being a beta city.

    In truth the move to downgrade MEL/LHR from an A380 to 787 is prudent and economical sensible. Despite all the moaning, it will be a welcome relief for sections of the Melbourne community not having to transit in DXB. 

    As some comments above suggest, the public by and large will suck it up. Sure some will defect but the skewed QFF programme helps maintain loyalty-too many people are not bothered to shop around for alternative FF programmes. Thoes non-aligned pax will try the new route for the novelty factor. Once the novelty dies in 5 years time, I'm sure QF will tweak it (perhaps 787 MEL/SIN/LHR) to make it more bearable for the people at the back of the bus. 
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  • Trogdor

    Trogdor

    28 Apr, 2017 12:48 pm

    Plus, there nothing to stop Qantas running another 787 MEL-DXB (or maybe even through to LHR) if there's still demand from Melbourne-based passengers. 

    236 seats on a 787 versus 484 on an A380 would be a more sensible MEL-DXB-LHR capacity given the Perth route will pick up quite a few people from Perth itself + Adelaide and Canberra
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  • Himeno

    Himeno

    28 Apr, 2017 03:49 pm

    Yep, it does seem that while lots of seats are sold across all airlines ex MEL, few are in premium cabins.

    A few years ago, I had a CBR-xSYD-NRT flight. While waiting for the flight to SYD, weather delays had been impacting all SYD flights that afternoon, to the point that I would miss the connection. I proactively raised the issue with the QF ground staff and ended up getting rebooked via MEL and CX.
    The reroute caused me to lose my upgrade on QF21, but as soon as I walked into the CX MEL lounge, after having had the CX ticket for all of an hour, I was upgraded.
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  • peteshep

    peteshep

    27 Apr, 2017 03:01 pm

    Just speculating here - given an A380 will be freed up from next year, and given they've flagged a re-furb for them, perhaps the free A380 won't be put onto another route, and instead they'll start cycling them through the refurbishment process. I doubt they'd be able to refurbish more than one at a time with such a small fleet, but this would give them the opportunity without impacting any other part of the network. Just a thought.
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  • GregXL

    GregXL

    27 Apr, 2017 03:23 pm

    According to recent comments by QFcrew the A380 refurbs start next April.
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  • peteshep

    peteshep

    27 Apr, 2017 05:36 pm

    Well that timing is then spot on ;)
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  • GregXL

    GregXL

    27 Apr, 2017 03:27 pm

    For those that think the QF should at least operate an A380 MEL-DBX, I suggest the reason that they did not do this is that the flight duration is 14.5h, so it requires more than 1 aircraft to run a daily service. 
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  • Alex_upgrade

    alex_upgrade77

    27 Apr, 2017 03:46 pm

    Qantas doesn't have an aircraft the right size to service MEL-DXB-LHR. The A380 is far too big with too many premium seats to fill and not enough demand. So until QF get more 787s the problem remains. Ideally they'd fly an A330 just to DXB daily from MEL to keep market share. But not sure it has the range. 

    Then there's the issue of Emirates...  
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  • mviy

    mviy

    27 Apr, 2017 03:56 pm

    They should fly an aeroplane with some F seats for their flagship route imo.

    The PER-LHR option is a great addition but it never should've been a replacement for the MEL service.

    Furthermore EK putting on more capacity to cover for QANTAS shows demand is there for the flights.

    I don't care if it's via DXB, HKG or SIN, but regular year round A380 services from MEL to a location like that with codeshare flights onto LHR and European destinations would've been an appropriate compromise rather than scrapping any option to fly to LHR on QF operated for any of the way other than going via PER or doing a domestic flight to SYD.

    Even a QF 787 to e.g. Dubai (even though it has no F seats) would've been something but I guess probably prohibited by QF's deal with EK.

    Many people try to use their points for upgrades MEL-DXB on QF when flying on from there to Europe on EK. With that taken away and award seats increasingly hard to get it's getting harder and harder to use points.
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  • John Phelan

    John Phelan

    27 Apr, 2017 05:40 pm

    MEL-LHR is not QF's flagship route.

    Re the idea of QF running a 787 MEL-DXB - that will probably ne quite practical a bit down the track, and I think that would fit in perfectly with the QF/EK joint venture agreement as well.
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  • injadavidsan

    injadavidsan

    27 Apr, 2017 05:45 pm

    What tracking route would the Perth to London flight take? 
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  • ivanb52

    ivanb52

    27 Apr, 2017 09:56 pm

    If you look at the shortest distance / great circle eg here
    you can see the track is not far from overflying the gulf airports and picking up the existing routes past the middle east hot spots and into Europe.  
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  • ivanb52

    ivanb52

    27 Apr, 2017 10:21 pm

    The great circle / shortest track is just north DXB / DOH.  From there I expect flights would merge into the existing routes past the middle east hot spots and into Europe. 
    If you want a map find greatcirclemapper.net and search on EGLL-YPPH 

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  • aniljak

    aniljak

    27 Apr, 2017 05:53 pm

    Dear John,
    Why dont you Look at starting flights Melbourne- Singapore-London using your  A330s that you aren't  using on Perth - East Coast routes. Passengers  love 2-4-2 seating and a bit of leg room.
    Maybe you could fly on to London or Europe from Hong Kong or Beijing. We aren't  interested in serving Melbourne passengers!
    You could set up a hub in Singapore  and fly from places we don't  want to i:e anywhere  but Sydney!
    Richard may be able to help out with aircraft or providing a connecting service.
    Lots of love
    Alan from Sydney 
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  • marto

    marto

    27 Apr, 2017 05:55 pm

    As has been pointed out, the fact that emirates steps up to replace lost capacity shows the demand is there. Was QF9 underperforming on the MEL-DXB leg? Now the much touted "one stop to over 30 European destinations" is entirely on EK metal. 
    Terminating QF9 at DXB would make sense, even retimed to connect with QF1 onwards to LHR. That would still free up 1 A380, for other/new routes or a refurb. 
    Has anything been mentioned about the mid-life refresh for the A380s?
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  • Himeno

    Himeno

    28 Apr, 2017 04:04 pm

    Both MEL/SYD-LHR routes use a combined 5 aircraft for daily flights. Cutting the A380 from MEL-LHR saves 2.
    A MEL-DXB daily flight would require 2 aircraft.

    Once a flight gets past ~10.5 hours (assuming 90 min turnaround), a 2nd aircraft is required for the route to be daily.
    SYD-LHR requires 3 aircraft due to approx 21 hour travel time, 5+ hours on the ground and curfews at both ends.
    Prior to the retime, MEL-DXB-LHR required 3 aircraft due to the flight time and the 10 odd hours spent on the ground in LHR.

    QF used to operate an A332 on AKL-LAX. On paper, a 332 could run MEL-DXB, but winds etc could make that doubtful in practie.
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  • mviy

    mviy

    27 Apr, 2017 07:27 pm

    Once the A380 services to LHR stop they'll start the mid-life refresh. Once that's complete any seating advantages e.g. newer business seats in 787 over what's in the A380 will be gone.

    I liked the idea of additional services to LHR but was horrified when the rumour started that it would be a replacement for the A380 services rather than additional to them and even more so when it turned out to be true.

    And no compromise (such as splitting LHR A380 services between MEL/SYD or still flying the QF A380 as far as DXB or year round to e.g. HKG and then codeshare from there to LHR) makes it even worse.

    QANTAS plans to use the A380s to fly to SIN and HKG and they'll take them away from MEL at least some of the time to fly to/from SYD. So less QF services on A380 will fly from MEL in total flights anywhere worldwide.
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  • Stephen

    seyre

    27 Apr, 2017 08:02 pm

    I've been flying back and forth to LHR for the past 5/6 years and always flown qf9/10, through Sin and then dbx. Therefore you could say I'm loyal, so I'll probably go the Perth route or via Sydney, price will be a determinant also.
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  • ivanb52

    ivanb52

    27 Apr, 2017 09:46 pm

    For flights from MEL into cities in Europe other than LHR the Qantas website now offers connections in SYD to QF1 and in DXB onto Emirate. 
    A single connection in SIN or HKG will look much more attractive, avoiding both Sydney and LHR.  I can see many previously loyal MEL travellers abandoning QF. 
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  • Stephen Dowding

    stevo_d

    28 Apr, 2017 12:33 am

    Disappointed to lose the late evening departure from Melbourne which provided a good all-Qantas alternative to QF1 for those connecting from regional VIC/NSW. I guess it's just restoring the original late afternoon/early morning arrival schedule.

    Presumably there's no reason why Qantas won't shift QF1/QF2 from SYD/DXB/LHR to SYD/PER/LHR (even retaining the A380) and just hand over all connecting European traffic to Emirates, at least until direct 787 flights to mainland Europe start.
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  • Travelnut

    Travelnut

    28 Apr, 2017 09:57 am

    I've heard that MEL based cabin crew will be doing the MEL-PER sectors, over night and operate the East bound the next day, whilst the LHR based crew operate the PER-LHR sectors... there goes the overtime for the MEL crew 
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  • Ryan Stephen

    RaptorNation158

    28 Apr, 2017 04:34 pm

    While I don't like what QF have done, but you can't blame them if load factors from MEL weren't great, they've most likely done their homework and considered the backlash this move would receive so let's just give them a chance and see how it all plays out. There's still lots of time until March 2018 so you never know what's in store.
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  • Markspark

    Markspark

    28 Apr, 2017 06:07 pm

    Remember this is the first in a series of announcements regarding new routes and this new fleet. The more successful the introduction of the 789 is for Qantas the more options they are likely to pick up and the larger their capital investment will be in the next generation of aircraft which will fly non stop between Syd/Mel and European capitals and NY and Chicago. It's about the right aircraft on the right routes and clearly for now the A380 from Melbourne isn't performing. It's worth mentioning that Melbourne is getting a 789 service to LAX on top of the A380 daily so it's not all bad news for us. I think Qantas has a few more things to share and we should let them deliver their entire strategy (& the aircraft!) before everyone melts down. 
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  • Carrie Price

    CP

    28 Apr, 2017 06:32 pm

    SQ, all is forgiven with messing around with the Melbourne flights!  As a Melbourne based F only flyer and someone who has drifted to QF over the past few years due to Oneworld status, I have no intention on maintaining this new-found allegiance.  SQ and LH here I come.
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  • Cap'nDave

    Cap'nDave

    28 Apr, 2017 06:41 pm

    The Boeing 787-9 Non stop 17+ hour service from LHR to Perth
    may be a step forward but cancelling the A380 London-Dubai-Melbourne service is a step back. What about those of us who now have to ship their Pets to Melbourne for Quarantine now that the Sydney Quarantine Centre is closed.
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  • Exit Row

    Exit Row

    28 Apr, 2017 07:47 pm

    Massive mistake by QF who have wrongly assumed that QF loyalists from MEL will stay loyal and take the PER-LHR-PER option. Sure there will be novelty value at first but honestly, who can say they will be looking forward to a 90 minute wait in PER and then a 3-4 hour domestic leg after an 18 hour flight on the return sector....and West-East makes it worse again. It will be torture.
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  • Chris Woods

    Chris282828

    28 Apr, 2017 09:43 pm

    Does anyone actually know what Qantas' Flagship Route is? I can't find the answer anywhere?
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  • TheFreqFlyer

    TheFreqFlyer

    5 Oct, 2017 07:58 pm

    Well it used to be Sydney - Bangkok - London, but for some reason Qantas fell in love with Singapore over Bangkok and watered down their services to the "big mango" despite the fact that over 900,000 Aussies visit Thailand yearly, more than at anytime in the past. Many of these travellers only have the choice of flying on THAI these days for a direct flight, the only other options are a daily Sydney-Bangkok Emirates flight, a 3-times weekly Melbourne-Bangkok Jetstar flight and a 3-times weekly Sydney-Phuket Jetstar flight. Not sure about Perth-Phuket, Jetstar used to operate it, they may or may not still be doing so. Singapore was chosen as the transit point on the Qantas flagship "kangaroo route" to Europe - they used to fly to Rome, Paris and Frankfurt in addition to London some years back but nowadays only fly to London.
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  • puppy79

    puppy79

    4 Aug, 2018 09:42 am

    disappointing to say the least.I have mentioned of the new QF9/QF10 to my brother whenever he needs to do a London trip for work purposes but he won't have a bar off it.ex Melbourne there is a nonstop to Tokyo on Japan Airlines that leaves Melbourne sometime after midnight arriving there local time around 7am or 8am.with a decent transit time you can hit LONDON mid afternoon.depending on time of year that's enough time once you clear immigration and get transport to your hotel to squeeze in a gym session and if travelling in the summer months their summer our winter maybe a walk in the local areas.
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