Qantas brings Boeing 717s onto more Brisbane flights

Qantas brings Boeing 717s onto more Brisbane flights

Qantas will fly its regional QantasLink Boeing 717 jets between Brisbane and both Adelaide and Cairns from November, in place of larger Boeing 737-800s.

The plan adds to new weekend Boeing 717 flights from the Queensland capital to Sydney and Melbourne which began this month, following the use of these planes on regular Brisbane-Canberra flights.

Qantas says the shake-up puts “the right aircraft on the right routes” in line with passenger demand, and will free up a Boeing 737 for use on higher-demand routes such as Sydney-Melbourne and Perth-Adelaide.

The Boeing 717 earmarked for these Brisbane flights will offer both business class and economy, with the airline reconfiguring two of its remaining economy-only jets – currently seen flying within Western Australia – with business class (below) and new economy seats, for use on the eastern seaboard.

With the first reconfigured plane flying from November, the second is expected to take wing in January 2018, which the airline will use to support its existing Boeing 717 flight schedule while heavy maintenance is undertaken on other jets.

Qantas will offer business class on 12 of its 20 Boeing 717s once these reconfiguration works are complete, and will increase the use of economy-only Fokker 100 aircraft on regional, resources-related Western Australian routes where the airline now sees lower demand.

Chris Chamberlin

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14 Comments

  • GBRGB

    GBRGB

    10 Aug, 2017 05:52 am

    Not good, the 717 have a high failure rate with many cancelled services, I try to avoid them when I can on the TSV-BNE service as they are very unreliable.
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  • RK

    Ryan K

    10 Aug, 2017 10:10 am

    I've flown on the 717 in and out of Hobart many times. I've never been delayed and they're a great aircraft to fly on. Gotta love the steepest of steep takeoffs! 
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  • rufusfly

    rufusfly

    10 Aug, 2017 11:16 am

    So true Ryan   Great plane always on time flying in and out of Hobart.  Great seats too.
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  • parishiltons

    parishiltons

    14 Aug, 2017 08:57 pm

    Yes, but climb performance at altitude is nothing to write home about. Especially in warmer parts of Australia (which is most of the country north of Tasmania).
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  • CBRQF

    CBRQF

    10 Aug, 2017 09:06 am

    I always try to fly on the 717. I find it a considerably more comfortable plane to fly on. And never had an issue with delays or cancelations.
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  • chap6595

    chap6595

    10 Aug, 2017 10:07 am

    So I guess the long term question is....what will they repalce the 717 with? CS100? CS300? An E-Jet....these 717's and F100's for that matter, are getting on a little bit. It will be interesting to see what they choose.
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  • tronixstuff

    tronixstuff

    10 Aug, 2017 10:51 am

    Unless the oil price shoots up again (unlikely) these 717s, serviced and checked appropriately - are good for many years to come. 
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    ssmith3104

  • Simon Sheales

    Simo800

    10 Aug, 2017 11:30 am

    Hopefully they will choose one of the ERJ variants. 
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  • mjduckby89

    mjduckby89

    10 Aug, 2017 04:21 pm

    A shoddily constructed Brazilian plane? No thank you, sir.
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  • Dredgy

    Dredgy

    10 Aug, 2017 12:24 pm

    It's a long time off, long enough that there could be new planes on the market, but I'd hope to keep a rear-engined plane, so some form of CRJ would be my ideal choice.

    I still think Boeing made a poor decision to discontinue the 717 though, as there's nothing as good in its class, and it has extraordinarily high customer satisfaction ratings with both passengers and the airlines themselves. No doubt Qantas would have ordered more, among other operators.
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  • patrickk

    patrickk

    10 Aug, 2017 03:26 pm

    This depends on the build date but if early 2000s the another 4-5 years of life left at least.
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  • Uqsthom6

    Uqsthom6

    10 Aug, 2017 10:46 am

    How does this not prove that Virgin getting rid of its Embraer fleet was a bad idea
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  • reeves35

    reeves35

    10 Aug, 2017 11:21 am

    The E190s were nice but having an additional type in your fleet is an expensive option and the trip costs for the E190 were not that much less than the 737s.
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  • RK

    Ryan K

    10 Aug, 2017 01:18 pm

    Because a E190 is not a Boeing 717...
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  • mjduckby89

    mjduckby89

    10 Aug, 2017 04:19 pm

    Well, a Boeing 717 is not really a Boeing 717, either, is it?
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  • Dredgy

    Dredgy

    10 Aug, 2017 12:15 pm

    Love the Qantas 717 and I'm glad it's now being deployed with business class on routes I'm actually likely to fly on! Bring it back to ROK and I'll have no reason to fly VA!
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  • bsb

    bsb

    10 Aug, 2017 06:54 pm

    My absolute favourite aircraft in the QF fleet and I love flying it and go out of my way to fly on it. 
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  • moecat

    moecat

    11 Aug, 2017 12:28 am

    I dont mind them, only thing that annoys me is the air is very sensitive to the engine movements so only landing its constantly going fast then slow
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  • parishiltons

    parishiltons

    11 Aug, 2017 03:14 pm

    It's not a 'real' business class. 
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  • parishiltons

    parishiltons

    11 Aug, 2017 03:58 pm

    I notice someone does not agree. I don't get out a tape and measure seat sizes and pitch but seatguru.com has both the 717 and 737 at 37in pitch, but 22in wide for the 737 and only 20in wide for the 717. That is noticeable when you take your seat as it feels narrower - also the 717 is a noticeably narrower cabin but still has 2+2 in J. Add to that there is no setback video so you have to prop a pad in a frame and have your earphone cord hanging in the air. There is no divider between J and Y cabins. The cabin staff sometimes don't seem to be trained up to J standards, and sometimes the catering/drinks selection is more limited than on the 737. So the 717 is already cheapening a not particularly world-beating B737 domestic and regional J class.
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  • RK

    Ryan K

    11 Aug, 2017 04:07 pm

    It was pretty good when I tried it. Would you care to let us know what "real" business class should be on a domestic narrow-body?
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  • parishiltons

    parishiltons

    11 Aug, 2017 05:50 pm

    Certainly, happy to oblige, Ryan. It's easy. JetBlue Mint. I understand from the ausbt site that VA is considering the same or a similar product for narrowbodies.

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  • parishiltons

    parishiltons

    11 Aug, 2017 03:24 pm

    The rationale does not make sense. Sure, SYD-MEL is the busiest route in Australia, but PER-ADL? The latter comes in at no.21, according to BITRE data, way behind the routes losing B737s:
    BNE-ADL - 18th
    BNE-CNS - 11th
    BNE-SYD - 2nd
    BNE-MEL - 3rd

    Perhaps they don't have the range to do ADL-PER?
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  • PleasedToBeHere

    PleasedToBeHere

    11 Aug, 2017 04:05 pm

    Anyone know if or when the new 717 BNE-CNS schedule has been applied to Qantas booking systems (still showing a lot of 737s showing available in Nov/Dec)?

    Current BNE-CNS 737 flights on Tues/Wed/Thurs mornings are already about 100% capacity due to FIFO workers travelling to new mine in FNQ meeting their Qantas charter in Cairns...going to be very tight/expensive if 717s takeover these particular flights.
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  • lawrence51smith

    lawrence51smith

    11 Aug, 2017 04:07 pm

    The qantas 717 fleet is very old and unreliable so often I have been let down especially in Hobart & Alice Springs if this fleet is put on major routes I will look elsewhere for a proper business class with first class service, presently service is very basic with staff spending more time complaining to each other than serving customers.
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  • parishiltons

    parishiltons

    11 Aug, 2017 06:41 pm

    Yes, remember that these are essentially DC9s with the associated late 1950s-early 1960s basic design.
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  • Stewart Smith

    ssmith3104

    11 Aug, 2017 06:19 pm

    I find the 717 has 1" more seat width than the 737, but more importantly, 50% less middle seats.
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  • parishiltons

    parishiltons

    11 Aug, 2017 06:38 pm

    In J? Certainly better in Y - 18 vs 17.2, but worse in J - 20 vs 22. Agree about the middle seats in Y, but J is still 2+2 with narrower seats in a narrower cabin.
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  • Josh Thompson

    jmt341983

    12 Aug, 2017 11:13 am

    I HATE the 717s, at least 20% of my flights are delayed and I much higher cancellation rate, in my experience. 
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  • Bruce Ryan

    lucky65

    12 Aug, 2017 01:34 pm

    Did business on Mel -HBT , found it to be fine and just as good as 737, and have also done econmomy and found it great as well
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  • parishiltons

    parishiltons

    14 Aug, 2017 08:54 pm

    Seems to be very popular with Tasmanians, probably because it's a bit roomier and faster than a turboprop (and perhaps makes Tasmanians feel less relegated to the backwaters?). But the short hop to MEL is a puddlejump, so I can understand people being happy with that. On longer routes a proper J class is needed. The QF 717 product simply does not cut it.
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  • J M

    John Moody

    15 Aug, 2017 03:02 pm

    Never been on the B717, but have to be better than the 737. They are the worst plane ever in Economy!!
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  • Longreach

    Longreach

    14 Oct, 2017 06:49 pm

    The 717 is far superior to the 737 for the simple reason of its configuration. There was nothing wrong with the DC-9 either.

    It was a bit strange - and highly inaccurate - seeing a suggestion that Perth-Adelaide had higher demand than BNE-SYD or BNE-MEL.


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