Emirates cuts two Airbus A380 flights to Sydney, Melbourne

Emirates cuts two Airbus A380 flights to Sydney, Melbourne

Emirates is shaking up its Australian schedule, with two Airbus A380 flights to Sydney and Melbourne being swapped for the less-salubrious Boeing 777-300ER.

The Qantas partner is also making changes to its sole daily Adelaide-Dubai service and temporarily trimming the number of flights between Perth and Dubai.

An Emirates media statement issued to Australian Business Traveller outlined the changes listed below, adding these "decisions were made after a recent review of our operations, which was undertaken to ensure the optimal commercial utilisation of our aircraft fleet."

Update [2/10/18}: an Emirates spokesperson has advised Australian Business Traveller that none of the Boeing  777-300ERs which will be replacing Airbus A380s on flights from Sydney and Melbourne will be fitted with the Gulf carrier's swanky new first class suites.

Emirates flights: Sydney-Dubai

The daily EK416/EK417 flight between Sydney and Dubai – a flagship service which has historically featured the Airbus A380, although a Boeing 777-300ER was temporarily rostered on from July 1 through to October 27 2018 – will now stay locked on the Boeing 777 rather than return to the superjumbo.

Losing the superjumbo on this flight not only means losing the popular inflight bar, but fewer business class seats – which on the Boeing 777-300ER are in the less-popular 2-3-2 layout – plus fewer first class suites (and no first class shower).

Emirates flights: Sydney-Bangkok-Dubai

Another of Emirates' Airbus A380s will leave Australian skies from January 15 2019, with the daily EK418/EK419 service connecting Sydney, Bangkok and Dubai shifting down to a Boeing 777-300ER.

Emirates flights: Melbourne-Singapore-Dubai

A third Emirates superjumbo getting the axe is EK404/EK405, the A380 which flies daily between Melbourne, Singapore and Dubai.

This will be wound back to a Boeing 777-300ER as of January 15 2019 (the same swap will also briefly be seen  between November 2 and November 20 2018).

However, a spokesperson for Emirates has revealed to Australian Business Traveller that as of January 15, "another flight between Dubai and Singapore will be upgraded to an A380" – which will see two Dubai-Singapore flights on the A380 and two on the Boeing 777.

Emirates flights: Adelaide-Dubai

Emirates' sole daily flight between Adelaide and Dubai (EK440/EK441) will drop from a Boeing 777-300ER to the Boeing 777-200LR from October 28 to November 30 2018, as well as February 1 to April 15 2019.

There is, however, some upside: this Boeing 777-200LR will be one of the jets fitted with the refreshed 2-2-2 business class seats (shown below) instead of the more common 2-3-2 configuration.

However, this win for business class passengers is a loss for first class flyers, as the process of upgrading each Boeing 777-200LR sees its first class suites removed.

Emirates flights: Perth-Dubai

Emirates currently has two daily flights between Perth and Dubai, but this will be dropped to 11 flights per week from November 7 to November 30 2018, and February 5 to April 15 2019.

The affected flights are EK424/EK425 – between those dates listed above, EK424 will run only on Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and Sunday.

There's no change to the daily Airbus A380 service of EK420/EK421.

David Flynn
David Flynn is the editor of Australian Business Traveller and a bit of a travel tragic with a weakness for good coffee, shopping and lychee martinis.
 

55 comments

  • Lachlan Burnet

    Lachlan72

    28 Sep, 2018 05:43 pm

    I've taken EK418/9 many times both on Y and J. The loads on an A380 usually are light-medium so I can see why they're changing. The early evening departure from SYD is great for getting in a day's work before heading off, but the thought of a 10-abreast 777 in Y means I'll almost definitely use QF or TG day flights to BKK after the change.
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  • Joe

    Joe

    28 Sep, 2018 05:49 pm

    The 1.40AM arrival time into BKK was always a deal breaker for me despite inferior QF330 V EK380.
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  • smit0847

    smit0847

    28 Sep, 2018 05:55 pm

    I was always amazed there was any demand for first class to Adelaide.
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  • andrewcross

    andrewcross

    3 Oct, 2018 03:15 pm

    Really? I have clients who fly it all the time!
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  • NBShone

    NBShone

    28 Sep, 2018 05:58 pm

    I'm on a march first class trip 404 and 405. So what happens now there is no first class
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  • Lachlan Burnet

    Lachlan72

    28 Sep, 2018 06:02 pm

    The 777-300's have First Class.
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  • russell

    russell

    28 Sep, 2018 06:02 pm

    Nothing, there is still F on the 777-300ER
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  • NBShone

    NBShone

    29 Sep, 2018 06:11 am

    I mean no showers on the 777
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  • Ganesan Kadirgamanathan

    ganeshk1102

    29 Sep, 2018 06:38 am

    You might want to take a shower at home before flying!
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  • Patrick Wallis

    Patrick Wallis

    3 Oct, 2018 02:48 pm

    Quotation first:

    "What a glum piece of news that 'none will be fitted with the swanky new First Class'. Yet the positives are not insignificant: taller suite walls, no need to be tangled with the idea of whether to take an in-flight shower or not, introvert friendly removal of bar, much more viewer friendly (less thick and bigger) windows and potentially more personalised service due to reduced suite numbers... Blah, blah, blah, sounds familiar? Stockholm Syndrome? However, as the old saying goes: 'I would like to have nice things and more choices available, yet I reserve my rights to choose or not to choose.' Quoted by my then 16 year old high school mate. The pros and cons of B777-300ER vs A380-800 is irrelevant here. The real issue is that Emirates took away the choices for many who have already paid (for with a significant sum of hard earned cash, mileage or both). While so many here are mocking the guy who missed his shower above the clouds, who has in fact thought of The Spirit of Contract? Enough said."

    Paying £4,933.02 LHR-DXB-SIN-MEL one way, @NBShone has every right to whinge about a privilege being taken away while it was paid for in the first place.

    What is wrong with that?

    The thumbs down upstairs and the thumbs up downstairs are just beyond me.

    Are we all becoming so cynical and carrying the miso-affluence mentality without even realising it?

    The airlines did the wrong thing by not honouring what was originally promised and we all start pointing fingers at the paying passengers......
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  • Vaniggy

    Vaniggy

    7 Oct, 2018 01:47 pm

    It seems "contract" does not and never has applied to the airline industry. Not sure why.... But it just doesn't.
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  • russell

    russell

    28 Sep, 2018 06:04 pm

    Perhaps there is a chance that 404/405 gets the new F. That would be nice...
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  • Matt J

    MattJelonek

    28 Sep, 2018 06:13 pm

    This is due to Runway upgrades at Dubai?
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  • comcats2168

    comcats2168

    28 Sep, 2018 10:22 pm

    Don't think so. The runway closure is only 45 days in April/May 2019, while the schedule changes are for other times: http://www.dubaiairports.ae/corporate/media-centre/fact-sheets/detail/southern-runway-rehabilitation-programme
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  • Martin  Slobodnik

    msport2012

    28 Sep, 2018 06:13 pm

    Does this mean the SYD - CHC - SYD becomes a B777 service?

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  • born2fish

    born2fish

    28 Sep, 2018 07:03 pm

    The non-stop DXB-SYD flights continue to be operated by A380, of which the SYD-CHC-SYD is a continuation of the EK412 / EK413 and therefore still scheduled for the A380 at this stage.
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  • Lost_in_SIN

    Lost_in_SIN

    28 Sep, 2018 06:44 pm

    I'm very surprised EK404 is swapping to 777. I fly this route often and it always appears to be quite full in business, a good mix of those joining in Singapore and those continuing on from Dubai. I've also seen frequent operational upgrades at the gate from economy to business which might not be so common now. I often book either EK404 or QF38. Based on this change, I'll make sure to only book QF38 in business from next year.
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  • StudiodeKadent

    StudiodeKadent

    28 Sep, 2018 07:24 pm

    Emirates is lessening the number of seats they carry between Australia and various points in South East Asia, then (since they're downgauging the indirect flights to SYD/MEL via BKK/SIN).

    I guess that will help keep the load factors (and/or prices) on QF's services to BKK and SIN up.
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  • Steven Beale

    melbtraveler

    28 Sep, 2018 08:14 pm

    The EK404/405 downgrade is disappointing. I enjoyed the A380 service to Singapore later in the day. I'll just book QF37 now
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  • Jay McEvoy

    Perthjay85

    29 Sep, 2018 12:05 am

    So what happens if I'm on a Qantas award booking on ek425 in first class. Am i better off trying to find another award seat or wait till I hear from Emirates?
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  • born2fish

    born2fish

    29 Sep, 2018 12:53 am

    If you booked an award seat on EK425 First Class, those flights will still operate with a First Class cabin, albeit not on every day of the week. Best to contact QFF service centre if your flight is on one of the days being cancelled and they will liaise with EK.
    TIP: if you are ticketed by QF (ticket starting with 081) and have the 6 character QF booking reference, there is also a separate 6 character EK booking reference for the EK system. Always a good idea to also ask the QF call centre for your EK booking reference, as you can use this to allocate seating via EK website or call centre. Even in First, I have found the QF seat allocations for EK metal don't always stick or are only treated on a request basis, but using the EK booking reference via EK always ensures you get the First seat you request. Hope that helps.
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  • Jay McEvoy

    Perthjay85

    29 Sep, 2018 01:02 am

    My tickets are all confirmed. It took 5 hours of live chat and 4 hours on the phone to get the tickets booked.

    My flight is on a Monday so the flight ek425 looks to be affected.

    I just live chatted with Emirates and was informed that the flight is still on.

    Any idea how long it takes for the flights to be actually cancelled after a media release like this?
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  • Darren

    DGP

    29 Sep, 2018 09:13 am

    Did you know, that if you have a QF booking on an EK operated flight, you can go to the EK website and use your QF Booking Reference and it will automatically take you to the EK booking. I have tested this many times and it works. It is supposed to work in reverse as well, but I have not tested that way.
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  • born2fish

    born2fish

    29 Sep, 2018 01:29 am

    Article states: EK424 will run only on Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and Sunday.
    Given the EK424 DXB-PER on a Sunday actually arrives into PER after midnight on a Monday, and the reciprocal EK425 (same airframe) you are booked on departs Monday AM, I think you will be OK looking at those schedules, but check with the airline if still unsure.
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  • Jay McEvoy

    Perthjay85

    29 Sep, 2018 01:37 am

    That's actually a very valid point. I didn't think of it that way. Thanks for that.

    I'll keep investigating for the moment and see what happens.

    Cheers.
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  • Traveller14

    Traveller14

    29 Sep, 2018 08:05 am

    Surprising that the SYD and MEL changes are from 15 January 2019, as inbound loads (to Oz) should normally be extremely high as a percentage of available seats until the end of January due to Christmas school holidays.

    Why aren't the changes occurring on 1 Feb like the ADL alteration?

    Are these changes also because EK is under pressure from too big a fleet for demand?
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  • squeeowl

    squeeowl

    29 Sep, 2018 12:47 pm

    Passenger loads on EK424/EK425 outside of peak travel periods are extremely low - I've seen as low as 90pax mid-week earlier in the year so the scale down of services doesn't surprise me at all (actually it wouldn't surprise me if the service becomes seasonal only in 2019).
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  • reeves35

    reeves35

    29 Sep, 2018 01:10 pm

    There was a time about a year ago when EK said they were aiming for a time when all their AU services were on the A380. I guess such an aim may still exist but has been deferred for at least a few years.
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  • aparasher

    aparasher

    29 Sep, 2018 05:41 pm

    We will miss lovely A380 by 2 days. :(. Not sure if 787-200R are in 2-2-2 or 2-3-2 configuration. Who can confirm?
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  • Stuart Jackson

    Stuart Jackson

    29 Sep, 2018 05:50 pm

    Unfortunately our flight has changed to the old angled 2-3-2 configuration
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  • Effiomboy

    Melvin

    30 Sep, 2018 04:48 pm

    EK418 DXB BKK SYD becomes EK417 SYD DXB on A380. EK416 DXB SYD becomes EK419 SYD BKK DXB on A380. Unless Emirates is also reducing EK416 and 417 to 777-300ER or removing SYD-CHC-SYD altogether, there is no way it could reduce the sector with the BKK stopover to a 777-300ER. It is sad to see these flights are winding back to 777-300ER.

    It is clear now that doing a stop over is not only messy in terms of bookings, but also rostering of crew. Looks like the way to go is for Emirates to focus on point to point flights. DXB-KUL-MEL (with KUL stopover) was also axed. The other flight Emirates is axing is DXB-CMB (Colombo)-SIN. This flight captures the market of passengers from Colombo to Melbourne via Singapore. With AirLanka doing a direct dash between CMB-MEL, Emirates' market has shrunk. With this, it makes sense EK404 and 405 which are used to ferry passengers to and from Colombo need to be reduced with lower demand now.
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  • Anthony Hand

    Concord03

    1 Oct, 2018 02:39 pm

    Beginning December the EK416 / 417 was supposed to be an A380. This now has switched back to 777. I contacted Emirates for change out of this flight to EK413 / 414 for three PAX with success. Required quite a lot of negotiation but they were quite helpful in the end.
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  • Joseph Harper

    hellojoey

    2 Oct, 2018 09:33 am

    Our flights have just changed to 777 rom A380 for EK417 in Aug 19. Probably wouldn't have wasted points in F if I knew there was a change come! But I suppose thats the risk you take.
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  • born2fish

    born2fish

    2 Oct, 2018 01:03 pm

    The F cabin on B777 still has some positives over the A380: The suites are marginally wider on the B777 by about 2cm (not really noticeable, but offset by slightly narrower aisles) and the higher ceiling doesn't curve in as much compared to A380 upper deck. Can't recall, but I think the B777 suite walls are also slightly taller. You often get better service on B777 with only 8 seats versus 14. For flights <12 hours, the Purser normally works First class which I often find results in better overall service. The higher foot traffic going past on A380 aisles to use front stairs is a bit annoying at times.
    So unless you really like the novelty of having a shower onboard (when you can get a better shower at the lounges either end), or mixing at the A380 bar, the B777 gives a much more peaceful trip IMHO.
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  • Joseph Harper

    hellojoey

    2 Oct, 2018 01:39 pm

    @born2fish - Thanks for the good insight! Totally get/agree with your points. I suppose only because this is our first time flying F I figured it would be great to experience the novelty of the bar and shower on the A380.
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  • Private Pilot

    Private Pilot

    3 Oct, 2018 04:30 pm

    Ooooo...Hellojoey...still try to get yourself a flight on an Emirates A380 at some stage (Emirates has the best A380). The A380 is a vastly more comfortable aircraft than B777. Cabin pressure is at a lower equivalent altitude, and if it's a long flight, you notice the advantage of the superior wing design in the amazing stability of the aircraft. Noise levels in the A380 are significantly lower in sound pressure levels, and importantly also at a slightly lower pitch. For best comfort at the other end of all journeys, I've found A380 best. Next best is A350, then I think it's a bit of a toss between B777x and B787.
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  • Lake Pacific Airways

    lakepacificair

    2 Oct, 2018 10:55 pm

    What a glum piece of news that “none will be fitted with the swanky new First class”. Yet the positives are not insignificant: taller suite walls, no need to be tangled with the idea of whether to take an inflight shower or not, introvert friendly removal of bar, much more viewer friendly (less thick and bigger) windows and potentially more personalised service due to reduced suite numbers... Blah, blah, blah, sounds familiar? Swedish Capital Syndrome? However, as the old saying goes: “I would like to have nice things and more choices available, yet I reserve my rights to choose or not to choose.” Quoted by my then 16 year old high school mate. The pros and cons of 77W vs 388 is irrelevant here. The real issue is that EK took away the choices for many who have already paid. While so many here are mocking the guy who missed his shower above the clouds, who has in fact thought of The Spirit of Contract?Enough said.
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  • Shingi Sa

    davidzuo

    2 Oct, 2018 11:16 pm

    Stockholm syndrome, hahaha~
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  • Patrick Wallis

    Patrick Wallis

    3 Oct, 2018 08:19 am

    I understand totally where you are coming from. The choice of words in the statement where “an Emirates spokesperson has advised Australian Business Traveller that none of the Boeing 777-300ERs which will be replacing Airbus A380s on flights from Sydney and Melbourne will be fitted with the Gulf carrier's swanky new first class suites” does sound obnoxious. People like consistency and change for the better. If it is the other ways around, we will then start looking for excuses to comfort ourselves - a classic phenomenon called cognitive dissonance, which is also more susceptible to beliefs and actions associated with Stockholm syndrome. We vote with our feet and it’s always the little things that count.

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  • Dennis Vickery

    dvickery

    3 Oct, 2018 01:49 pm

    Booked and paid for 2 first class tickets only days ago based on A380 suite etc. Syd-Dubai-Lon.

    Not happy - are they flying any A380 on the Syd-Dubai route?

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  • Joseph Harper

    hellojoey

    3 Oct, 2018 02:18 pm

    EK415 is still showing an A380, which is the 6am flight out from SYD.
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  • NLF

    NLF

    3 Oct, 2018 02:53 pm

    Both 415 (0600hrs) and 413 (2110hrs) will remain as A380 ex SYD.
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  • Brian Williams

    evilbrian

    3 Oct, 2018 03:24 pm

    David....I think you'll find that EK404/405 from MEL-SIN-DXB is scheduled to return to an A380 at the end of March 2019
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  • David Flynn

    David

    3 Oct, 2018 03:28 pm

    We're just reporting what we have been advised by Emirates PR, and they didn't call out an end-date for that swap.
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  • Colrad

    Colrad

    3 Oct, 2018 09:12 pm

    I am booked on this flight on 6 April and can confirm it has been changed to a 777.
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  • Jay McEvoy

    Perthjay85

    3 Oct, 2018 09:24 pm

    We're booked on the 5th of April and it's also a 777 instead of the 380 we booked.
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  • Donald Rowling

    DAREng

    3 Oct, 2018 03:36 pm

    So what is the big deal on missing a shower on the A380. On my return to Sydney from DXB 3 weeks ago in F I was advised that one is only permitted 3 mins of in shower time. That ain't long!!!
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  • born2fish

    born2fish

    3 Oct, 2018 04:22 pm

    Normally the Shower Suites are allocated in 30 min blocks, with total of 20-25 mins allowed (5mins of that is actual water allocation timer in the shower which you can stop and start at your discretion), and the remaining 5 mins to allow the CSA's to clean up for the next person. If you only got 3 mins, there may have been considerations for the onboard water supply, or the other suite may have been out of action. All that said however, I have been offered extra water time previously when F Cabin is not full, or others haven't pre-booked shower times. The 5 minutes water time doesn't sound like much, but it's really plenty. First world problems I know.
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  • MaxineF

    Maxinef1

    4 Oct, 2018 07:26 pm

    I recently flew Emirates A380 First MEL/DXB return and was the only passenger in first on the AMEL/DXB leg and only 4 pax on the return flight - it was very nice having the entire First Class Crew and 2 showers at my disposal on the outbound leg 😁 Business Class was also sparsely populated on both legs so I’m not surprised at this decision by Emirates.
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  • David Heath

    David Heath

    8 Oct, 2018 11:55 am

    Noticed today our EK419 flight to BKK on 23/11/18 is now a 77W so it appears this is starting earlier than January '19 or perhaps for this period. Oh well. A bit disappointing.
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  • Donald Rowling

    DAREng

    8 Oct, 2018 08:36 pm

    Question for members, can one use QF FF points on Emirates flights to UK through DXB?
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  • Donald Rowling

    DAREng

    8 Oct, 2018 09:00 pm

    Members, in addition to my previous request, can one use QF FF points on Qatar flights to LHR?
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  • Chris Chamberlin

    ChrisCh

    9 Oct, 2018 08:21 pm

    DAREing: The answer to both of your questions is ‘yes’. The advice about only being able to use points to book codeshare routes on Emirates is incorrect, and likewise, Qantas and Qatar are Oneworld partners, so you can use points to book Qatar flights. Just search where you want to fly via the Qantas website and available flights will appear, or you can also call Qantas if you need help.
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  • Brian Williams

    evilbrian

    9 Oct, 2018 07:58 am

    DAREng...you can use QFF points to purchase EK tickets (but not upgrades) as long as you book through the QF website and the flight is a EK/QF codeshare. Don't think you can do the same with Qatar flights.
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  • Mike Sutcliffe

    Sutty

    12 Oct, 2018 05:42 pm

    Hi David
    Can you please keep an eye on the Melbourne EK 404/405
    Again we booked Emirates Buisness because of the A380 flights to Singapore : I Sincerly hope this is temporary as we fly June to Singapore
    Also each time we have travelled the Singapore flight must say has appeared close to full
    Mike
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