Could QF become an all Boeing fleet?

By crwilkins | Jun 05, 2019, 12:01 PM
Clearly from recent news of new routes QF must be getting great returns on the 787, talk of A380’s shuffling to SIN, HK and HND seem to suggest they are trying to get better utilisation/return from them (aka they are too big). The big questions are the Sunrise long haul replacement, what happens with domestic 737’s and the rumoured mid market airplane. It would seem a big expensive change to swap 737’s to A320, the rumoured 797 is Boeing and AJ has talked positively about it a few times, and then Sunrise would have to be A350 for Airbus to stay in. What happens if QF choose the 777X? It feels like strategically Airbus have to win the Sunrise deal to keep themselves in the fleet. Thoughts?
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By Pcoder | Jun 05, 2019, 12:12 PM
I think this is appropriate:

Betteridge's law of headlines is an atage that states: "Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."


Firstly the a380s won't be leaving for another 8 years at least as they are about to get a refurb. The 717s and the Fokker 100s will need to be replaced soon, so an order for the a220 could happen soon.


And with all the problems with the 737max and Qantas's reputation for safety, there won't be an order soon for them any time soon. The 99 a320neo series on order for the group seems a bit to large for Jetstar only, so I wouldn't be surprised to see some in QF colours.


Most airlines now like to keep a mixed fleet, so that they can get better deals from both manufacturers and to safe guard against any problems.

Last edited by Pcoder at Jun 05, 2019, 12.13 PM.
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By Aidan | Jun 05, 2019, 11:28 PM
737max is a lesson to keep mixed fleets.
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By John Phelan | Jun 06, 2019, 12:49 AM
777X is very likely for Sunrise. But QF will keep a mixed fleet, with the A380s and A330s. I'd venture the 717s will be replaced by the A220, and the 738s by 737 NG of some description.
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By patrickk | Jun 06, 2019, 09:13 AM
The A350 is proven while the 777-8 is not so there is a point to Airbus for the Long distance flights. The A320 family has a lot more options than the 737MAX group, such as long range stretched versions. So unless a Mid range Boeing come along well before 2025 then that is another point to Airbus.
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By Goat Guy | Jun 07, 2019, 03:10 PM
Evidently the A380 is most cost effective around 8 to 10hrs flight time so up into Asia makes sense.
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By Luke49 | Jun 07, 2019, 09:32 PM
I think Qantas will definitely get the A220 to replace 717’s.
Looks like A350-1000LR will be Project Sunrise aircraft.
Yes agree Qantas have 99 A320neo variants on order mostly for Jetstar but I think we will see some flying for Qantas.
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By Himeno | Jun 13, 2019, 04:11 PM
Looking at current orders/options, known plans, desire for fleet rationalization
I could see the QF fleet transition to 77X/787 long haul and A220/A320neo for short haul.

777-8 and 777-9 are meant to have cockpit commonality with the 787, which means the same flight crew pool would be able to fly both.

A220-100s (~90 seats) to replace the dash 8's and A220-300s (~130 seats) to replace the 717s.
A320s (~160 [A320] - ~200 [A321] seats) to replace the 737s, and make it easier to transfer aircraft between QF and JQ.

787-9s for long thin routes with ~240 seats
777-8s for Sunrise routes with ~280-300 seats
777-9s for shorter high load routes with ~380-400 seats

787s and 778s come between 2020 and 2026 as A330s and remaining 747s retire, 779s as the A380s retire around 2027-2028.
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