Business class passengers using the economy loo?

By AgentGerko | Dec 14, 2018, 10:10 AM
My wife and I are doing eight hours in the QF A330-200 with its pretty ordinary single loo for 28 business class pax. Is there anything that would impede a business passenger from going back and using an economy loo, if our one business loo had a queue? I've read that Qantas rarely stops people coming forward to use the business loo so can we go back and use the economy loo?
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By PERflyer | Dec 14, 2018, 10:18 AM
The general rule is you can enter lower cabins than what your booked in not the reverse so will be fine
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By ChrisCh | Dec 14, 2018, 10:19 AM
Replaced abbreviation letters with meaningful words, so that everybody reading will be able to understand the question, and potentially answer it.
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By AgentGerko | Dec 14, 2018, 10:28 AM
A little surprised as I see references to Y and J in many other posts, and presume that business travellers would know these two codes, but fair enough I guess.
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By ChrisCh | Dec 14, 2018, 11:22 AM
A little surprised as I see references to Y and J in many other posts, and presume that business travellers would know these two codes, but fair enough I guess.

We edit them where we see them and as our schedule allows: as we're not an 'aviation' or 'industry' website, our readers are predominantly mainstream, 'everyday' business travellers, who have no real need to know fare codes or short-hand letters, and many of them won't know what this means. :)
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By sgb | Dec 14, 2018, 01:29 PM
much appreciated for putting it back in plain language.
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By Bob Burgess | Dec 14, 2018, 01:35 PM
You certainly can use the economy loos but let me be brutally honest. Apart from the loos being cramped the economy lavs tend to be pretty messy the further into a flight you get! I'd rather stay in my seat up front and wait for a business class loo.
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By s4172249 | Dec 14, 2018, 02:14 PM
You certainly can use the economy loos but let me be brutally honest. Apart from the loos being cramped the economy lavs tend to be pretty messy the further into a flight you get! I'd rather stay in my seat up front and wait for a business class loo.

Yes us uncouth economy class passengers don't know how to use a toilet properly... gosh this site espouses some elitist rubbish sometimes!
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By IntegralMan | Dec 14, 2018, 03:08 PM
You certainly can use the economy loos but let me be brutally honest. Apart from the loos being cramped the economy lavs tend to be pretty messy the further into a flight you get! I'd rather stay in my seat up front and wait for a business class loo.

Yes us uncouth economy class passengers don't know how to use a toilet properly... gosh this site espouses some elitist rubbish sometimes!

I do not think that was Bob's suggestion at all. Business class lavs are invariably cleaner, but for two simple reasons:
(1) The lavs are being shared by a smaller quantity of pax; and
(2) They are cleaned more frequently than Y class lavs.

For my 2 cents about Y class / J class versus economy / business, in my experience, it is very rare to meet business travellers who are not familiar with Y/J class terminology. Frankly, such nomenclature is one of the best things about the air travel community.
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By 346 | Dec 14, 2018, 03:08 PM
I've been "told off" a couple of times for using the First Class bathroom when riding in Business class. But I don't think they really cared too much. If you got to go you got to go!
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By patrickk | Dec 14, 2018, 03:37 PM
You certainly can use the economy loos but let me be brutally honest. Apart from the loos being cramped the economy lavs tend to be pretty messy the further into a flight you get! I'd rather stay in my seat up front and wait for a business class loo.

Yes us uncouth economy class passengers don't know how to use a toilet properly... gosh this site espouses some elitist rubbish sometimes!

I do not think that was Bob's suggestion at all. Business class lavs are invariably cleaner, but for two simple reasons:
(1) The lavs are being shared by a smaller quantity of pax; and
(2) They are cleaned more frequently than Y class lavs.

For my 2 cents about Y class / J class versus economy / business, in my experience, it is very rare to meet business travellers who are not familiar with Y/J class terminology. Frankly, such nomenclature is one of the best things about the air travel community.

There is a whole thing about acronyms such as Y J and airport codes which is very irritating and maybe not the best thing about the air travel community or any other that love their in house acronyms. The military is another such community. Communication with resort to google should be the aim.
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By patrickk | Dec 14, 2018, 03:38 PM
Correction ... without resort to google.
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By David | Dec 14, 2018, 04:11 PM
You certainly can use the economy loos but let me be brutally honest. Apart from the loos being cramped the economy lavs tend to be pretty messy the further into a flight you get! I'd rather stay in my seat up front and wait for a business class loo.

Yes us uncouth economy class passengers don't know how to use a toilet properly... gosh this site espouses some elitist rubbish sometimes!

I do not think that was Bob's suggestion at all. Business class lavs are invariably cleaner, but for two simple reasons:
(1) The lavs are being shared by a smaller quantity of pax; and
(2) They are cleaned more frequently than Y class lavs.

For my 2 cents about Y class / J class versus economy / business, in my experience, it is very rare to meet business travellers who are not familiar with Y/J class terminology. Frankly, such nomenclature is one of the best things about the air travel community.

Just to address this last point: the frequent flyer and points communities are indeed very au fait with all manner of codes – fare classes, ticket types, airport and airline codes – but the mainstream less so, and we write for that more mainstream audience. Business travellers will of course quickly get to know airport and airline codes, and some will pick up the F/J/Y jargon. However, all of those codes act as a barrier to most people and get in the way of the content, so our philosophy (built on my own experience as a technology journo/editor, as well as when I was first confronted by the alphabet soup of jargon on frequent flyer forums) is to avoid the abbreviations in order to make Australian Business Traveller more accessible and more welcoming to readers.
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By patrickk | Dec 14, 2018, 05:16 PM
Thanks but is a very special flyer indeed who is across all airport codes.
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By Bob Burgess | Dec 14, 2018, 05:47 PM
You certainly can use the economy loos but let me be brutally honest. Apart from the loos being cramped the economy lavs tend to be pretty messy the further into a flight you get! I'd rather stay in my seat up front and wait for a business class loo.

Yes us uncouth economy class passengers don't know how to use a toilet properly... gosh this site espouses some elitist rubbish sometimes!

That's not at all what I meant. The simple facts are
1. economy loos are cleaned & serviced less often during a flight than business class loos, and there are generally more passengers per loo in economy as well which compounds the issue
2. business class cabin tends to be mainly adults, economy is far more likely to have kids and other people who might make a bit more of a mess in the loo. Don't agree? On your next long international flight in business class make a point of checking out the economy loos at various stages of the flight, I can almost promise you they will look worse than the business class loos. It's not elitist snobbery when you state facts based on your own experience and plain old logic.


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By mushmush | Dec 14, 2018, 06:57 PM
perhaps we should be discussing the fact that there is only 1 toilet for 28 seats!!

I understand the economies of scale and how every seat counts for profitability but 1 toilet for a whole cabin is surely pushing it especially in the hour leading up to landing.
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