Qatar Airways launches Sydney flights

Qatar Airways launches Sydney flights

Qatar Airways will elbow its way into Australia's largest and most competitive travel market when the Gulf carrier begins daily flights between Sydney and its Doha hub this week.

The Oneworld member and de facto Qantas partner is most noticeably going toe-to-toe against its 'Gulf three' siblings and rivals Emirates and Etihad, which between them have five daily flights including both airlines' A380 superjumbos.

Qatar's Sydney-Doha flights will operate on a Boeing 777-300ER with fully-flat business class beds – the same aircraft as used on the Melbourne route.

AusBT review: Qatar Airways Boeing 777-300ER business class, Melbourne to Doha

Flight QR909 departs Sydney at 10.20pm to reach Doha at 5.05am the next day, with a stream of onwards connections to London and Europe.

The companion flight QR908 is set for wheels-up from Doha at 8.10pm for an 6.05pm arrival into Sydney.

 
Qatar will drop another pin into its Aussie network map in May with the launch of flights to Adelaide using the new Airbus A350, which features the airline's latest lie-flat business class seats with a spacious 1-2-1 configuration.

Each seat converts to an 80 inch fully flat bed and has its own 17 inch high-definition personal video screen.

Photo tour: Qatar Airbus A350 business class

Flight QR915 will be wheels-up from Adelaide at 9.30pm and reach Doha at 4.50am the next day, with onwards connections to the Europe and the UK, while the companion flight QR914 from Doha departs at 8.55pm to arriving into Adelaide at 4.25pm the following day.

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59 Comments

  • Bizflyer

    Bizflyer

    25 Sep, 2015 08:01 am

    It would be nice to see the A380 on the route to give them a full LHR-DOH-SYD service with the same product to help against Etihad and Emrites. 

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  • Shoudy Chen

    Shoudy Chen

    25 Sep, 2015 12:45 pm

    Yes and will face a big competion to the middle east destinations like EK (Dubai), QF (Dubai), EY (Etihad).
     

     

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  • Andy H

    Andy H

    30 Sep, 2015 05:41 pm

    Would also be good if they offer the A380 for MEL too, would give them an competitive edge over EY's x2 daily services and the EK/QF x4 daily combo. There were talks of MEL going A380 at some stage, QR definitely has made a name for itself in MEL and knows the market well.

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  • kimshep

    kimshep

    2 Mar, 2016 11:43 am

    Sorry, but we're NOT discussing EK here with their fleet of 50+ A380's to play with.

    While it might be 'nice' to have a QR A380 on SYD and also one on MEL, that's all it will be - 'nice', a 'thought-bubble.

    No carrier in its right mind opens a brand new route with the world's largest and most expensive jet. Perhaps, sometime down the road - when the carrier has at least some minimal experience with the route - or when they have finite figures which can demonstrate that moving an A380 from one destination to another would successfullly increase revenue.

     I would also suggest that you have a look of how many A380's exist in QR's fleet. As said, we are NOT talking EK.

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  • Dave

    Dave

    2 Mar, 2016 12:45 pm

    "No carrier in its right mind opens a brand new route with the world's largest and most expensive jet."

    My first thoughts when I read the comment too

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  • KG

    KG

    3 Mar, 2016 12:07 pm

    It appears that "some time down the road" is June!! 

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  • russell

    russell

    25 Sep, 2015 08:33 am

    Just what the QFI J lounge needs, more premium pax to squeeze in...

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  • madge

    madge

    25 Sep, 2015 11:39 am

    To meet EU connecting flights, QR will probably depart around 10PM. The QF lounges aren't too busy at that time.

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  • Broderick Boyd

    Broderick Boyd

    25 Sep, 2015 08:54 am

    Any airline that operates 9 abreast in Economy on a 777 is worthy of flying with in my books.

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  • nix584

    nix584

    25 Sep, 2015 10:57 am

    Soon to go 10 abreast though... But having flown QR Y on the 77W, A320 and A330, they offer a great product down the back.

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  • Jason Bird

    Jason Bird

    25 Sep, 2015 10:39 pm

    Their B787 is a nightmare though. Really tight squeeze for Y pax

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  • Bizflyer

    Bizflyer

    26 Sep, 2015 10:15 pm

    In all fairnes I dont have a massive deal with 9 abrest Y on the 787 it isn't all bad and Qatar is one of the best in my opnion 

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  • StudiodeKadent

    StudiodeKadent

    30 Sep, 2015 07:24 pm

    Well Qatar's 787 seats are even narrower than those of most 9-abreast 787 operators. They're about 16.9" wide (!).

    BA are finding a way to install 17.8" seats at 9-abreast in a 787. That is certainly tolerable (with enough booze). Qatar's seats are absolutely tiny, however.

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  • Bizflyer

    Bizflyer

    27 Sep, 2015 03:43 pm

    Only on some of them!!

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  • ashnic7g

    ashnic7g

    25 Sep, 2015 09:47 am

    Sydney will be a tough market for QR to crack. Curfew means that they have a limited connection proposition in Doha, and existing competition is fierce, especially with QF / EK and VA / EY working together.

    That said, more competition will be good news for customers.

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  • gazzaoak

    gazzaoak

    28 Sep, 2015 10:13 pm

    Can be possable, QR can leave Doha around 11pm or so and arrive around late afternoon/early evening to sydney, and then leave Sydney just before the curfew

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  • Allan King

    Allan King

    25 Sep, 2015 11:18 am

    A top airline...if not the best I've flown on...Would love to see them into Sydney;

    I suspect QF will try to 'think' hard how to lock QR pax out of their lounges !

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  • Himeno

    Himeno

    25 Sep, 2015 12:24 pm

    If that were to happen, they could just do the same that QR did with their DOH and LHR lounges.

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  • Stuart Jackson

    Stuart Jackson

    25 Sep, 2015 05:53 pm

    Yes one of the best J products I've flown (A350,A380) would not hesitate to choose them again over QF,EK to Europe 

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  • Broderick Boyd

    Broderick Boyd

    25 Sep, 2015 02:08 pm

    With the introduction of ANA in December and hopefully QR in the near future, this will mean SYD will be served by 6 of the 7 5-Star Airlines in the world, the only exception being Hainan Airlines.

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  • Rishi Kataria

    Rishi Kataria

    26 Sep, 2015 12:09 pm

    Wow Sydney will soon become one of the very main airports in the future with all these new services coming in.

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  • Darren

    Darren

    30 Sep, 2015 05:52 pm

    Sydney is certainly getting a few new airlines.....

    Xiamen Air, ANA and American Airlines all within 3 weeks of each other at the end of the year.

    Then Qatar and possibly Turkish in 2016.

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  • Neil Jeram

    Neil Jeram

    2 Oct, 2015 02:35 pm

    Careful Rishi what you ...we wil have everyone from Melbourne and Perth chiming in if they read your post. LOL

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  • Frank Carville

    Frank Carville

    2 Oct, 2015 04:38 pm

    Given up complaining, nobody cares, seems we'll just gave to hang out for Malindo to start flying here..

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  • maabbot

    maabbot

    28 Sep, 2015 08:40 am

    Wonder what Qantas and Emirates think of this...one world alliance partner vs strategic partner, both from the middle east.

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  • Arcanum

    Arcanum

    30 Sep, 2015 05:16 am

    QF should have hooked up with QR in the first place instead of EK.  That would have made a formidable pairing, and QF would have been a real partner as opposed to the current EK arrangement.

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  • jyh189

    jyh189

    1 Oct, 2015 12:12 pm

    Qantas and Qatar definitely has a nice ring to it

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  • russell

    russell

    30 Sep, 2015 05:02 pm

    Double red eye....ouch.

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  • NZFlyer

    NZFlyer

    30 Sep, 2015 05:41 pm

    As are most Australia to Middle east flights and if your doing Australia to Europe or vv in one go, its pretty much impossible to do all as daylight flights. 

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  • Jonnie

    Jonnie

    2 Oct, 2015 12:56 pm

    Agree.  When I do Bangkok to Europe on EK,  it's late nite early morning for each flight and I'm just a zombie throughout. 

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  • Mark

    Mark

    30 Sep, 2015 05:43 pm

    Brisbane next?

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  • hutch

    hutch

    30 Sep, 2015 06:28 pm

    Well these flights will exhaust the (freshly increased) allocation of flights between Aus-Qatar. So not in the near future.

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  • hutch

    hutch

    30 Sep, 2015 06:29 pm

    Not much time for tech issues in Sydney. 

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  • Ross

    Ross

    30 Sep, 2015 06:58 pm

    Wonder how long it will be before the 77W is swapped out for the BKK A380?

    That would heat things up amongst the M3!

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  • StudiodeKadent

    StudiodeKadent

    30 Sep, 2015 07:25 pm

    And it would also provide Qatar's best product to Sydney. Their A380 Economy seats are 18.5" wide, which is generous.

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  • Chris_PER

    Chris_PER

    1 Oct, 2015 05:01 pm

    I'd expect Brisbane before 2017 too.

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  • AFL_SBDN

    AFL_SBDN

    2 Oct, 2015 11:17 am

    They could begin the first A350 to Australia. 

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  • kimshep

    kimshep

    2 Mar, 2016 05:31 pm

    QR begins ADL service at the beginning of May .. and yes, with their A350-900.

    Frankly, this is a smart move from QR. It may allow them to grab some credible traction in the ADL market with QF not bothering to compete in the ADL (international) market and with EK competing with older and more ordinary B777's.

    Whilst QR has experienced a slower ramp-up in Australia, it has allowed them to establish and defend a decent presence in PER, a significant niche presence in MEL - to which they are now adding SYD and ADL. And most of this appears to be built on reputation for service and word-of-mouth recommendations.

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  • bl812

    bl812

    2 Oct, 2015 04:55 pm

    certainly the arrival time is much better than the one for Melbourne if you want to connect for a domestic flight like to Adelaide

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  • HEM bAKMIWEWA

    HEM bAKMIWEWA

    5 Oct, 2015 09:17 am

    What ever what who ever who comes are most welcome to this great City BUT and BUT  what we all the citizens wants is cheap airline tickets to fly around the world. when the Aussie is  dollar going where ever to where ever due to manupulating of currency or not  we all wants to fly to europ for 1200 or less.  not  for 1400 or 1700.

    We all will get stuck in here and every one out side will have a nice holiday if not wasting our resourcers food nature and the beautiful sceens.  

    sincerly hope QR will give us that around 1000 Aussie dollars return to anywhere they go to europe will make them the best sold airline. Then comes others too to match it.

    AI came with a good fare to india in the start but they tricked all of us later. money money money. 

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  • Roger Benson

    Roger Benson

    5 Oct, 2015 10:51 pm

     HEM  Waat   U  saying  man? who   fly   u  to   europe   for 1000 dollars? you  not get  to   fly  to  india  even   for  that   price.

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  • FLX

    FLX

    3 Mar, 2016 02:12 am

    <<sincerely hope QR will give us that around 1000 Aussie dollars return to anywhere they go to europe...Al came with a good fare to India in the star but they tricked all of us later.  money....>>

    Such QR deal is purely promo & short-term in nature(To help get fm 0 customer to some customers on a route) and trust me, not even remotely econ sustainable in the long term for QR(Nor any carrier) if U hv a slight clue about airline op cost on such long flights.

    It's really just simple math+a bit of common sense and U won't need a MBA degree to figure that one out.  See the following example /illustration for a SYD-DOH-LHR itin /operation by QR:

    1)  Your lowest Y fare=AUD 1,000

    2)  Total R/T distance=35,000km+

    3)  Rev$ earned fm U by QR per km=Below AUD0.03 per km

    Except walking /jogging(But U hv to be fasting because food costs $), there's practically no mode of transportation exists in Australia(Actually, almost anywhere on earth), for short or long journeys, that charge /cost U only 3 cents to carry U for every km travelled.  A 1way train ride between SYD int and domestic terminal is less than 2km, cost @ least AUD4..meaning AUD2 earned per km by SYD airport authority or about 70x higher earning per km than what QR can earn from AUD1,000 airfare to/fm London.....and the airport authority won't even load 20kg of your bags(U hv to load them onto the train by yourself), feed U 4 meals+wine/beer, give U non-stop movies to watch, etc. like QR will be...  If an airline can offer the same trip for AUD1,500 yr-round across yrs, it's pretty darn good already and they will still be @ a financial loss.

    AI's launch deal was a similar story...they would hv been bankrupted yrs ago if they continued such fare even when armed with nearly bottomless gov't subsidy/funding.  So lets try to be just a tad more econ realistic here before concluding a <trick> has been/will be played onto consumers by any airline....

    <<we all wants to fly to europ for 1200 or less.  not for 1400 or 1700.>>

    Might as well make it<<we all want to fly to Europe for free whenever we want, not for 1200, 1400 or 1700>>.  Welcome to Econ 101....it costs something to produce something...

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  • Roger Benson

    Roger Benson

    5 Oct, 2015 10:47 pm

    now  all   sydney   needs is  a  world  class  International  terminal!

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  • mrmaxwell

    mrmaxwell

    2 Mar, 2016 12:58 pm

    Exactly - SYD cannot keep adding airlines and additional flights - IT IS ALREADY FULL!

    I flew out Dec 15th last year...my goodness what a mess T1 was in.

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  • TheRealBabushka

    TheRealBabushka

    2 Mar, 2016 01:54 pm

    "The Oneworld member and de facto Qantas partner..."

    Isn't QR the de jure Qantas partner, since both are rightfully in the Oneworld alliance?

    The de facto Qantas partner is EK, where Qantas has chosen to pursue a special arrangement with EK outside of the Oneworld alliance.

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  • Alex_upgrade

    Alex_upgrade

    3 Mar, 2016 07:16 am

    Well QF and EK have a joint services agreement whereas QF and QR are simply alliance bedfellows (and uncomfortable ones at that).

    I see your point though.

    Sadly EK are just so huge now that QF probably wouldn't have been able to get the reach it has through EK if it had gone with QR.

    PLUS.... BA and QR are very close. And I understand the divorce lawyers are still making millions after the QF/BA spilt..

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  • TheRealBabushka

    TheRealBabushka

    3 Mar, 2016 11:04 am

    I just think it's ironical that we had Irishmen at the helm of both companies when this imperial alliance was shattered. 

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  • Joe

    Joe

    3 Mar, 2016 10:49 am

    I think QF/QR/BA/AA alliance would have been a great team and with all already being OW bonus.

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  • Mc

    Mc

    5 Mar, 2016 05:36 am

    IMHO QR currently has the better J class product. Why indulge in an EK J class experience where the seat is 18.5 inches wide (SQ  Y is 19 inches) and is so cramped  when you can get 22 inches on a QR 777. Even EY is only 20 inches in J. The only issue for me will be lounge access in SYD if QF start to kick up. The QR lounge in MAN is very poor compared to EK but then I'm on the plane for 14 hours and the lounge 2 max.

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