I'm not sure that Virgin can just compare to Qantas without the inclusion of Jetstar.... Sure, Jetstar might not offer Business class, but Virgin and Jetstar are still pretty much on par with everything else.

Saying Virgin and Jetstar are pretty much on par is a very poor call. 

yet true....

Well fantastic news Virgin. Keep treating your passengers with top service and attention to detail. Qantas needs to learn a few lessons as their service standards have slipped to a poor level and they will pay the price. This is going to be a bigger jolt that Ansett ever was as Virgin has a clear direction and fleet management. Qantas are still flying 737-400's and 767's from the 80's and it shows. The recent great news for Virgin with tie ups to Singapore Airlines, Virgin America and round the world/circle pacific offerings will set the pace for very interesting times. If anyone can compare Jetstar to Virgin, you clearly have blinkers on!!

I am with AusFlyer.  There are a LOT of Jetstar routes that would otherwise be Qantas routes, but leisure heavy traffic dictate a different approach.  I reccently flew VA ADL - DPS.  4.5 hour short haul international.  There approach to everything being buy on board was near identical to a JQ flight i took to CNS last year.  

In ecconomy JQ and VA are verry comparable.  Buy on board food, access (with the right FF card of QC membership) to lounges, the ability to pay more for better seats etc.  VA do have an edge in some of the rights/customer service aspects; however, for the sort of travellers (i.e. leisure) that typically fly a lot of the routes where JQ and VA are the main competitors these behind the scene differences are not of high importance.At the other end of the plane it is a different matter.  VA business class is aimed squarely at Qantas.  QF Fly a combination of 20+ 767 aircraft, often 4+ A330s and a 747 in addition to the 60+ domestic 737s all with J class.  If you take this combination and compare that to the VA fleet of mainly 737s and 3-4 A330s on the key Cityflyer routes and regional business routes then I am sure QF will come up as the key player.

A few more thoughts ALL VA aircraft are pooled in the same bucket.  Do those figure include Qantas Link?  If not that would skew routes like SYD-CBR and MEL-CBR to VA

I don't think AusFlyer was saying that "thereare a LOT of Jetstar routes that would otherwise be Qantas routes, but leisure heavy traffic dictate a different approach", although I agree with that assessment of the way QF have offloaded a lot to JQ in areas where the majority of passengers just want low fares, cheap flights.

I took AusFlyer's comments to be that apart from business  lass, Virgin is like Jetstar. I think that's not the case, I find Virgin crew to be a LOT better than Jetstar, and they have lounges where JQ have none, their overall approach is less JQ and more QF. The old Virgin Blue might have been more JQ but not these days, even taking business class out of the mix Virgin is still well ahead of Jetstar and a very different beast.

This is great news. The real winner is us with more price, product and service compeition.

CLEARLY AusFlyer has not fly with Virgin of late and to compare Virgin to Jetstar is like comparing the parent brand Qantas to Tiger...........OH PLEASE AUSFLYER do yourself and other a favour and get real.